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Seriously?

This is a "slang-like" form, not official technical English. None in UK or USA would seriously and consistently use this in real life.Brain (talk) 03:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I added the "Original Research" template. It doesn't seem that the term is accepted in the academic world in the same way it is stated throughout the long list of examples here. De facto and de jure are terms that have been used in history, politics and law in the western countries, due to the prominence and influence that ancient Rome had in the subject of Law. The contemporary use in fields related to science and technology does't seem to be officially received in the academia. The references that are provided here prove that the term is used just as an euphemism, not as recognized scientific term --Brain (talk) 00:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that part of the text has disappeared here. What is the objection? Is "de factor standard" considered a "slang-like form"? At least in IT, the term is widely used, although not always consistently.

"De facto" is considered the opposite of "de jure", but the latter term suggests some legal status - that needs explanation.

Some "de jure" standards are imposed as true laws by government agencies, for instance safety standards. In IT, "de jure" standards are based on some sort of "official" agreement, whatever that means. It may be unilateral (set by a vendor), or set by a standardization body.

Anyway, I don't dare to change the article text in fear of being blamed for "orogonal research". But it should be mentioned that terminology is used rather loosely in this field which gives room for improvement. Rbakels (talk) 12:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 This is a "slang-like" form, not official technical English. None in UK or USA would seriously and consistently use this in real life.[[User:Nikolas Tales|Brain]] ([[User talk:Nikolas Tales|talk]]) 03:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 :I added the "Original Research" template. It doesn't seem that the term is accepted in the academic world in the same way it is stated throughout the long list of examples here. De facto and de jure are terms that have been used in history, politics and law in the western countries, due to the prominence and influence that ancient Rome had in the subject of [[Law]]. The contemporary use in fields related to science and technology does't seem to be officially received in the academia. The references that are provided here prove that the term is used just as an [[euphemism]], not as recognized [[scientific_terminology|scientific]] [[technical terminology|term]] --[[User:Nikolas Tales|Brain]] ([[User talk:Nikolas Tales|talk]]) 00:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
+::It seems that part of the text has disappeared here. What is the objection? Is "de factor standard" considered a "slang-like form"? At least in IT, the term is widely used, although not always consistently.
+::"De facto" is considered the opposite of "de jure", but the latter term suggests some legal status - that needs explanation.
+::Some "de jure" standards are imposed as true laws by government agencies, for instance safety standards. In IT, "de jure" standards are based on some sort of "official" agreement, whatever that means. It may be unilateral (set by a vendor), or set by a standardization body.
+:Anyway, I don't dare to change the article text in fear of being blamed for "orogonal research". But it should be mentioned that terminology is used rather loosely in this field which gives room for improvement. [[User:Rbakels|Rbakels]] ([[User talk:Rbakels|talk]]) 12:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)