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Move to "detention camp"?

The Oxford English Dictionary says is "Now rare," while detention is common, used by the media, and has a derived use of detention camp, in the war of 1914-18, a camp in which aliens and others were kept under restraint; also applied to other places of incarceration.

In google stats, Wikipedia alone is basically holding up the term

896 for Guantanamo-Bay-detainment-camp -wikipedia
1,070 for Guantanamo-Bay-detainment -wikipedia
14,800 for Guantanamo-Bay-detainment

vs.

15,500 for Guantanamo-Bay-detention-camp -wikipedia
77,200 for Guantanamo-Bay-detention -wikipedia
81,600 for Guantanamo-Bay-detention

--Carwil 00:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you suggesting an alternate title? -- Geo Swan 14:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guantanamo Bay detention camp would become the title. Guantánamo Bay detainment camp would redirect, instead of the reverse.--Carwil 23:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problem: this US dictionary mentions 'detainment' = "detention", but also mentions the coined term 'detention camp' = "an institution where juvenile offenders can be held temporarily usually under the supervision of a juvenile court", no other meaning is indicated. Seems inappropriate. — SomeHuman 23 Jan 2007 16:06 (UTC)

Sounds like a minor concern to me, since not all compound phrases are listed in any dictionary, and someone who used that dictionary could read that detention means "Confinement; restraint; custody." We're not going to get universal dictionary coverage, but compare Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English Online (detainment not listed, though detention centre/center shows up) and [1] (no compound phrases, both listed equally). and since "detention camp" is in broad use in the States. It's the preferred term on military websites, though they seem to avoid both (detention camp-14, 1; detainment camp-0, 0 on www.defenselink.mil, NSGtmo.navy.mil). "Detention camp" also dominates in recent news coverage (439 to 11 in recent references at Google News with Guantanamo).

FYI, the OED definition is: "detention camp, in the war of 1914-18, a camp in which aliens and others were kept under restraint; also applied to other places of incarceration". I posted this to "uncontroversial moves", but will remove if this remains a concern for you.--Carwil 19:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Formal poll here...

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per discussion below, including AjaxSmack's note that common English language usage does not include the accented 'a'. -GTBacchus^(talk) 03:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guantánamo Bay detainment camp → Guantánamo Bay detention camp — Move to preferred name of media, US government, web as per above. Carwil 21:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Add # '''Support''' or # '''Oppose''' on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

Support - per nom. More common name. 64.178.98.65 16:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As above a more common name. Hypnosadist 06:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - As above. --DWZ (talk • email • contribs) 07:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey - in opposition to the move

Discussion

Add any additional comments:

If the object is to use the preferred US media or government name then it should be moved to Guantanamo Bay detention camp with "a," not "á." Cf. Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, The Road to Guantanamo. — AjaxSmack 06:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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