Talk:Paravar

Request for Comment TondaiMandala Saiva Vellala Mudaliar women were concubines of Brahmin priests in the temples and the current TondaiMandala Saiva Vellala Mudaliar men are bastards of Brahmins

Please comment on whether TondaiMandala Saiva Vellala Mudaliar women were concubines of Brahmin priests in the temples and the current TondaiMandala Saiva Vellala Mudaliar men are bastards of Brahmins. This was the reason Periyar fought against both these groups. Further this group claims to be the original Mudaliyar tribe of Tamilnadu.

EVIDENCE FOR Relation between Sengunthars/ Kaikolars and Devadasis

1. The following is quoted from a legitimate third party website. http://globalindiamissions.org/newsletter/nwsltr0802.htm

The Kaikolan are a large Tamil and Telugu caste of weavers. There are seventy-two subdivisions (nadu or desams). Their name comes from a mythical hero and from the words "kai" (hand) and "koi" (shuttle). They consider the different parts of the loom to represent various gods and sages. They are also known as Sengundar, which means a red dagger, which is traced to the legend of the earth being harassed by demons, which led to the people asking the god Shiva to help them.

Traditionally, one girl in every family was set apart to be dedicated to temple service and becomes a "Devdasi" (meaning female servant of god). In the temple, the girl is considered married to the temple deity but in practice becomes a prostitute, especially to the Brahmans and she learns traditional music and dancing.

2. The following is journal research article with abundant valid references. This is as legitimate as it gets.

This article talks in much detail about how women from the Sengundhar/ Kaikola caste get into the sacred prostitution in temples.

"Contending identities: Sacred prostitution and reform in colonial South India Priyadarshini Vijaisri A1, A1 Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS), New Delhi" South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies Publisher: Routledge, part of the Taylor & Francis Group Issue: Volume 28, Number 3 / December 2005 Pages: 387 - 411

To view the complete article just register, its free.

Here are the links :

http://journalsonline.tandf.co.uk/link.asp?id=jv31l27518262711 If you cannot access it then just go to the following page and follow one of the links

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Contending+identities%3A+Sacred+prostitution+and+reform+in+colonial+South+India

3. This is taken from another legitimate webiste http://www.go2southasia.org/l_peoples.html of a world renknown organisation recognised by many countries. They have no gain in just picking on the Sengunthar caste.

The KAIKOLAR people are a caste of weavers 1.5 million strong in southern India. They are Hindus and view different parts of the loom as representations of various gods and sages. Traditionally, each Kaikolar family sets aside one daughter to serve in a Hindu temple. That daughter is considered married to the temple deity—often the Hindu destroyer god Shiva. In practice, the daughter becomes a temple prostitute.

All 3 of the above references are quite legitimate and I can quote many more. There is no question of coincidence or any error in any of these sources. Please comment.

Table

Please feel free to modify the table I have added. I have used the colour blue to signify sea Doctor Bruno 15:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright issues

This article obviously has very serious copyright issues, as much (perhaps all?) is copied from other sources. We'll have to figure out whether we should just delete it all or if anything is original and salvagable.--Pharos 09:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

The article will get refined in due course. Any article written by volunteers, is bound to have some "inspirations". Portions which are violating copyright has to be removed. But to delete an article jusst because a few points are copied may be painful for other contributors Doctor Bruno 19:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

There are serious bias attached to the article, it reads like a mild-toned Christian hagiography. NPOV is seriously violated

Livingstone

Can some one clarify the confusion associated with this actor being added and removed in the listDoctor Bruno 00:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Seperate Article for Conversion

Can we have a seperate article for the Conversion section Doctor Bruno 15:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

The page lacks consistency

Could someone with knowledge in this area please make a decision as to whether the group of people should be referred to as 'Paravas' or 'Paravars'. I do not know which is the predominent spelling. Pheasantplucker 23:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Paravars is the correct spelling Doctor Bruno 15:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Move to Paravars

Can this page be moved to Paravars and a redirect placed at this page Doctor Bruno 01:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Style Editing

This page reads as being fairly awkward and unclear to me right now. I am going to try to fix it up as best as I can over some time but I will have to take it in chunks. I've started with and cleaned up the introduction today. One question though, from my admittedly limited knowledge of Romance languages La Pescaria would have to do with fish and not pearls. Someone who knows Portuguese might be so kind as to answer? Dalassa 04:28, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged this article for cleanup to address the issues I've brought up earlier and because I currently do not have enough time to do the job properly. Right now it needs major editing to make it read like an encyclopedia.Dalassa 13:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Added category

Added category indian christians.--71.30.177.228 06:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)