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Request to rename the article Battle of Berdiansk

I believe "Battle of Berdiansk" better follows the conventional name of this operation. Thespearthrower (talk) 22:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I support this rename suggestion. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't oppose changing the name back to "Battle...," but compared to the other battles, this seems like there was not much confrontation to qualify as a battle. i changed the name to "Attack..." because there was not enough references about what happened during the occupation, and i was worried that if it was kept as a battle, it might get deleted not relevant enough, as it happened before. RGoes (talk) 22:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No real fighting took place so I don't think "battle" is appropriate term. City offered virtually no armed resistance. "Attack" or "Takeover of" may be better descriptions. EkoGraf (talk) 23:54, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support NicolinoChess31415926 (talk) 16:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

+ Iftor (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake

I did not make my edit with the paragraph deletion, but I wanted to respond to the previous edit and cancel it. Just what the hell did I do? Iftor (talk) 14:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting proposal for the Saratov landing ship airstrike

Based on a discussion on the Talk:List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, I am opening up the splitting proposal to let editors voice their opinion about that. I am not dropping support or opposition for the split, just starting the discussion. What a split would mean: It would split the section about the airstrike into its own article, and leave a sentence or two about the airstrike, with a wikilink to join the split article with the parent article. A split would also mean the airstrike would qualify for the List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which was what the discussion that started this was about. Elijahandskip (talk) 05:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm skeptical that this event is independently notable of the entire battle, which itself is just barely notable it seems. Curbon7 (talk) 05:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I recently crated a stub on this subject at Berdiansk port attack, and much to my surprise, there have been multiple attempts to suppress the creation of this article. Redirecting here makes absoluutely no sense, as this supposed battle ended on february 26 according to the infobox. The attack on the landing ships happened almost a month later, so these are clearly seprate events and should be treated as such. As to its notability, this has been reported on by multiple reliable sources: [1], [2], "one of Ukraine's biggest successes" [3]. This si Russia's first naval loss of the war and its importance should not be understated. As this french source says, " l’Ukraine a réussi une attaque qui, par son audace mais également sa dimension symbolique et ses conséquences opérationnelles, marquera profondément cette guerre." [4], which i'll let you translate... --RD47 (talk) 00:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 Based on [[Talk:List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Airstrikes with breakout section in battle articles|a discussion]] on the [[Talk:List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]], I am opening up the splitting proposal to let editors voice their opinion about that.  I am not dropping support or opposition for the split, just starting the discussion.  What a split would mean: It would split the section about the airstrike into its own article, and leave a sentence or two about the airstrike, with a wikilink to join the split article with the parent article.  A split would also mean the airstrike would qualify for the [[List of military engagements during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]], which was what the discussion that started this was about. [[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 05:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 :I'm skeptical that this event is independently notable of the entire battle, which itself is just barely notable it seems. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 05:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
+::I recently crated a stub on this subject at [[Berdiansk port attack]], and much to my surprise, there have been multiple attempts to suppress the creation of this article. Redirecting here makes absoluutely no sense, as this supposed battle ended on february 26 according to the infobox. The attack on the landing ships happened almost a month later, so these are clearly seprate events and should be treated as such. As to its notability, this has been reported on by multiple reliable sources: [https://news.usni.org/2022/03/25/satellite-images-confirm-russian-navy-landing-ship-was-sunk-at-berdyansk], [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/world/europe/russian-landing-ship-berdyansk-ukraine.html],  "one of Ukraine's biggest successes" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pZ07dH9wiw]. This si Russia's first naval loss of the war and its importance should not be understated. As this french source says,  " l’Ukraine a réussi une attaque qui, par son audace mais également sa dimension symbolique et ses conséquences opérationnelles, marquera profondément cette guerre." [https://meta-defense.fr/2022/03/24/les-forces-ukrainiennes-ont-coule-un-navire-dassaut-russe-dans-le-port-de-berdyansk%EF%BF%BC/], which i'll let you translate... --[[User:Raoulduke47|RD47]] ([[User talk:Raoulduke47|talk]]) 00:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)