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Can you help me?

Hi Quadell... would you mind looking at a situation that is developing here? I remembered you well from the early Abu badali mess and thought you would be a great independent person to offer an opinion! -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 18:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks commenting so quickly :) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

• Quadell, see my comments on the image talk page. --evrik ^(talk) 20:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
• PageantUpdater's WikiStalking campaign against me. --evrik ^(talk) 02:50, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Images you removed

Please provide detail why you chose to remove the following images:

1. 15:44, February 5, 2007 Quadell (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:RayMurphy2.jpg" (Category:Replaceable fair use images as of 18 January 2007)
2. 15:44, February 5, 2007 Quadell (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:RayMurphy.jpg" (Category:Replaceable fair use images as of 18 January 2007)

These images were uploaded and used according to Wikipedia policy, at least to my knowlege. What precisely do you think was not followed?

I checked the log and it looks like you have a bot that is deleting loads of images. I'm concerned about this. Please advise.--Paul McDonald 06:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Greetings. These images were listed at Category:Replaceable fair use images on 18 January 2007. These are non-free images, and as such, we must follow all our non-free image rules in order to use them. On such requirement is that the images be irreplaceable: that it should be impossible to take a photo of the subject and release it under a free license. Since Ray Murphy is still alive, it should be possible for someone to take his photo.

I do not use a bot, and wouldn't know how to do so.

All the best, – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 15:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

So let me make sure I have this clear: I can't use the photos that I got permission to use because someone else could go take the same picutre instead? I'm curious how someone could take a picture of Ray Murphy (Jr) from 1970 because he has not only aged but has suffered a severe injury. The second photo was from family archives and it is unlikely that the people in the photo will be together again and at least one may be dead. In other words, it would be impossible to take a photo of the subjects and release it under a free license.--Paul McDonald 02:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

No one can ever take "the same picture" twice. But someone could take a picture that would fulfill the same purpose in the article: to show what Ray Murphy looks like, or to show Ray Murphy with his family. It's great that you want to contribute to Wikipedia, but I'd recommend you only upload free images, at least until you fully understand our policy on non-free images. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 05:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

This is just foolish. We have permission to use the photos. What makes them not "free images" ?? Why can't we use them?? And who listed them as "replacable fair use images" anyway?--Paul McDonald 13:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know who listed them as replaceable. There was no indication, either on the image pages or on the image talk pages, that we had permission to use the photos. In fact, there was no copyright information at all. If Wikipedia, and Wikipedia alone, has permission to use the photos, then we still can't use them according to our policies. This is because we are not just any encyclopedia; we are a totally-free encyclopedia. We're licensed under the GFDL, which means that anyone can copy Wikipedia content and reuse it, even for profit, so long as they license their work under the GFDL as well. If we were to use images that Wikipedia can use, but that other re-users can't use, then we couldn't claim that Wikipedia was licensed under the GFDL. (Re-users could still get sued by the image copyright-holder for using their images without permission.) The only way an image is a "free image" is if anyone (not just Wikipedia) has preemptive permission to use them, even for commercial purposes. Hope this helps, – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 15:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Now this is making more sense, at least from a legal standpoint. So here's the question: Once I go re-take these pictures, what "option" do I select on the "dropdown box" so that this doesn't happen again. I'll take the photos, the rights will be mine to give, so that's not a problem.--Paul McDonald 18:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

It's always safe to choose the GFDL option. Many people also like the "cc-by" (creative commons attribution) license, which says that anyone can use the images so long as they credit the photographer. It's safest to leave a note saying you took the photos yourself, just so no one has questions about where it came from. Thanks for being willing to take these pictures for us! I'm sorry if I came across as rude before. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Not rude, I just didn't understand. Thanks for being so clear--it took time, but it's worth it.--Paul McDonald 22:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Good morphed image contrib

Quadell, good work on finding those morphed images; I've read many books on that subject. I'll add one to the averageness article, which is what that "effect" is usually categorized as. Also, do you know the name of the author of the images? --Sadi Carnot 19:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

His real name seems to be Pierre Tourigny, but he always goes by "manitou2121". He lives in Gatineau, Canada. More info. I'm glad you're interested in this! I find it fascinating. I'd love to see more images like this. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I just wrote-up the averageness article, I'll also write up the similar youthfulness article, e.g. similar to babyfaceness, which is one of the main components of beauty, if you can find or get this image into the commons. Also, now maybe you could join in this discussion: Talk:Averageness that has erupted. Later: --Sadi Carnot 20:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. Image:Aging faces manitou2121.jpg – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 21:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Good work, I'll get that article going over the next day or so. Later: --Sadi Carnot 03:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Helen Fisher (anthropologist)

On a related note, seeing that you have sysop tools, could you remove the mis-speedy from this article added by an anon. Thanks: --Sadi Carnot 08:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. That certainly wasn't blatant advertising. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 13:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Good work again. Talk later: --Sadi Carnot 01:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Use of images in Amazing Race 5 contestants

Take a look at Talk:Amazing Race 5 contestants. Could you please knock some sense into Evrik? (PS at least I gave in gracefully when I realised it wasn't going to work!) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 21:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about knocking any sense into anyone, but I did investigate the situation and comment. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 14:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Educating a relative newcomer

Would you have some time to try to educate User:B9 hummingbird hovering on how minimal rewrites are still copyvios? I tried, but apparently I don't succeed in getting the point across. I've noticed him on Cicada (check the history and talk page), and then on Tapihritsa (see also User talk:Lupo#Tapihritsa) and Robert Beer. Lupo 09:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 14:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Let's hope it helps. Lupo 20:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

James Abourezk

Hello Quadell, would you upload James Abourezk's picture into commons please? That would be very nice. --89.59.178.46 12:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 14:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you :) --89.59.199.222 16:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Evrik

Would you care to take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Evrik and leave a comment if you feel it is appropriate? Thank you. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 23:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)