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Fails WP:NPOL, notability not inherited from father, unelected as an official. Page contains large amount of suspect COI/UPE, created by likely SPA. Coverage largely local and largely passing mentions, fails WP:GNG. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Politics, and United States of America. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. —Bagumba (talk) 09:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, WP:NOTINHERITED plus WP:NOTYET.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ari T. Benchaim (talk • contribs) 13:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete currently his notability is too connected with his father to justify a seperate article. If he is elected to the US senate that will change, but not beforehand.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I am confused by the claim that the subject lacks significant, independent coverage. See [1] and several other articles on the article.--User:Namiba 15:01, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is also WP:SIGCOV in USA Today. It is about Alex, not his father. There are several additional references in the article that are about him, not his dad. He meets WP:GNG all on his own; WP:NOTINHERITED doesn't say that a father and son cannot both be notable, we'd have to delete a whole lot of articles if it did! Jacona (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG when I look at the sources. Significant coverage from multiple reliable, independent sources...and sustained). For convenience, here's a subset already in the article:
1. Aldridge, David (October 28, 2020). "Bucks VP Alex Lasry on his city's state of mind, and why the Deer unraveled". The Athletic. Retrieved June 6, 2022.
2. Nunley, Christian (February 17, 2021). "Milwaukee Bucks executive Alex Lasry to run for Senate in 2022". CNBC. Retrieved June 6, 2022.
3. Buckner, Candace (May 10, 2021). "Wall Street roots. NBA owner's son. Wisconsin's next Democratic senator?". The Washington Post. Retrieved June 6, 2022.
4. Zillgitt, Jeff (July 18, 2021). "Bucks players inspired owner's son Alex Lasry to run for U.S. Senate in Wisconsin". USA Today. Retrieved June 6, 2022.
5. Bice, Daniel (August 13, 2021). "U.S. Senate candidate Alex Lasry's ritzy roots include elite schools, Michael Jackson home, $50 million-plus trust". Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Retrieved June 6, 2022.
6. Small, Taurean (March 17, 2022). "'What people are looking for are non-politicians who can go and actually deliver': Alex Lasry reintroduces himself to voters in bid for U.S. Senate". Spectrum News 1. Retrieved June 6, 2022.
Comment "Owner's son"; "Owner's son"; "Owner's son"; "Dad is Marc Lasry"; "Alex Lasry's ritzy roots include elite schools, Michael Jackson home, $50 million-plus trust"; Notability is not inherited. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:17, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This comment misconstrues NOTINHERITED. The mere fact that he is the son of a notable person does not make him notable, unless he has coverage that meets GNG. But if he has coverage that meets GNG - even if that coverage results from his relationships - that does not violate NOTINHERITED. Rlendog (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per GNG. Rlendog (talk) 17:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and WP:SALT, and move current article to draft space in case of election – probably doesn't pass threshold for WP:NPOL (wouldn't otherwise have sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG if he wasn't running for Senate), coverage is largely centered around relationship to father and role as staffer/business executive which would otherwise not be sufficient to deem him notable. Stroopwafels (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
...wouldn't otherwise have sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG if he wasn't running for Senate...: Except he is running for Senate, the coverage is already there, and per the guideline WP:NOTTEMPORARY:
Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage.
—Bagumba (talk) 18:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Getting the job of business executive is one thing, getting famous in this position is another, Not every sports executive can get famous and despite Lasry get this position because of his father his own accomplishment on it is the direct reason he get famous--and it is not done by his father. Dadylasry (talk) 20:40, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Someone get famous with the help of his father do not mean do not have his own fame. By the same standard you can delete the page of George W.Bush because he may not get elected as TX Governor and later President without help from his father George H.W.Bush.And as what is listed here there are significant coverage of him that is indepedent from his father like ^[1] and those listed above. Dadylasry (talk) 18:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Besides I think the media coverage he get already meets WP:POLITICAN point 2. Dadylasry (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:POLITICIAN point 2 of this. Dadylasry (talk) 20:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As has been showcased above, the subject has the significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. While having a famous father doesn't automatically make you notable, it neither cancels out whatever significant coverage you have. Alvaldi (talk) 18:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The sourcing on this page is all up to a high standard and even the local sources are repubtable and serious publications. Lasry is now a major public figure who is spending millions to run as a Democrat for US Senate, he clearly passes many of the criteria for coverage. Also, his Dad's finances seem very pertitent to Alex in particular since he is running for office and his Dad is a major donor to the Democrats. M4aorbust1 (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

^ Powell, Michael (August 14, 2015). "Bucks' Owners Win, at Wisconsin's Expense". New York Times. Retrieved August 14, 2015.

[1] Powell, Michael (August 14, 2015). "Bucks' Owners Win, at Wisconsin's Expense". New York Times. Retrieved August 14, 2015.

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 :::[[Wikipedia:POLITICIAN]] point 2 of this. [[User:Dadylasry|Dadylasry]] ([[User talk:Dadylasry|talk]]) 20:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' As has been showcased above, the subject has the significant coverage to pass [[WP:GNG]]. While having a famous father doesn't automatically make you notable, it neither cancels out whatever significant coverage you have. [[User:Alvaldi|Alvaldi]] ([[User talk:Alvaldi|talk]]) 18:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
+:'''Keep''' The sourcing on this page is all up to a high standard and even the local sources are repubtable and serious publications. Lasry is now a major public figure who is spending millions to run as a Democrat for US Senate, he clearly passes many of the criteria for coverage. Also, his Dad's finances seem very pertitent to Alex in particular since he is running for office and his Dad is a major donor to the Democrats. [[User:M4aorbust1|M4aorbust1]] ([[User talk:M4aorbust1|talk]]) 22:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)