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Gershon Fuentes sexual assault case

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Accused non public figure. WP:SUSPECT. I prodded and an editor removed it. Reported at WP:BLPN and an admin suggested AfD. Bruxton (talk) 01:29, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Ohio. Shellwood (talk) 07:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete : The living individual concerned has no notability other than being charged with this crime, which is reprehensible but not unique and not worthy of a Wikipedia article. In any case, he hasn't been convicted so WP:BLPCRIME applies, and the article is basically a WP:COATRACK for pointing out the consequence of the Ohio abortion laws for the victim. Neiltonks (talk) 09:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
• Keep (but rename) or Merge : There are two stories here, so I understand why one could see this article as a WP:COATRACK. But this is a notable crime where an unnamed 10 year old victim needed to seek an abortion after being raped by the accused perpetrator and is alleged to be the father of her child, too. The consequence of the Ohio abortion laws for child victims of sexual assault are notable because they are out of the ordinary, so the article may benefit from being rewritten from that viewpoint. Even though WP:SUSPECT counsels against writing a biography about criminal suspects because people accused of a crime are presumed innocent until found guilty by a judicial process, WP:NCRIME advises that notable crimes can be written about as a single event, but not as a biography of a living person notable for a single event. The title of this article names the accused, although misspelling his name, consequently the title could be considered having a non-neutral point of view as the title could be seen as prejudging any trial by connecting the accused with a crime. The current title therefore disrespects a person's right to a fair trial and could be a reason for deleting the title, but that is not cause for deleting the contents of the article. So the article should be renamed and rewritten with a different focus. Depending on the outcome of any trial, there is POTENTIAL for a future biographical article, because the accused might no longer be a low profile individual, but not just yet. Where this case will go in the future, nobody knows, but there are multiple possibilities. An alternative to keeping this article is to merge the content into an article like Abortion in Ohio, Abortion in Indiana or Abortion in the United States or even Sexual assault § United States. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BLPCRIME and as a biography of an arrest. The abortion controversy may be notable, but it's not even the primary focus of the article. There is nothing to salvage here, not even the article title. As for the above keep !vote, the speculative significance of the accused cannot overcome the clear BLP violation. The content to be merged is mostly about the suspect, not abortion. • Gene93k (talk) 12:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
• Neutral: mmh... this seems to be developing into a story with nationwide coverage. there is the alleged crime itself, and then the issue of how abortion laws impacted the alleged victim's unwanted pregnancy. the story is made more notable by the fact that some journalists and public figures said they believed the story was a hoax meant to advance a pro-abortion agenda. the story is still developing. the article was probably started too soon, but i wouldnt be surprised if a more robust wiki article on this subject later emerges. some media coverage includes:
• https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/13/us/ohio-arrest-rape-abortion.html
• https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/an-abortion-story-too-good-to-confirm-joe-biden-ten-year-old-girl-indiana-ohio-caitlin-bernard-11657648618
• https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ohio-man-charged-with-raping-10-year-old-who-was-forced-cross-state-lines-2022-07-13/
• https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-host-jesse-watters-suggested-10-year-old-rape-victims-abortion-was-a-hoax-before-arrest

Thank you. Al83tito (talk) 14:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

what will more likely make this subject notable, is not the alleged crimeitself, but the doubts (see Washington Post article) surrounding the veracity of the case and the many political reactions related to the abortion debate that are stemming from it.Al83tito (talk) 14:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

• Delete For one, whomever created this article in haste didn’t even bother to spell the suspect’s name right. Two, this is about a 10 year old child caught in the worst cross hairs anyone could imagine in American history. I do not think there should be an article about it without further details and commentary from the parents. Mind you, for weeks conservatives and a newspaper of record swore up and down this poor girl didn’t even exist. Trillfendi (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Separate discussion not needed An editor started a separate merge discussion. It is a duplication of this process and should be closed to prevent confusion. From WP:AFD: Common outcomes are that the article is kept, merged, redirected, incubated, renamed/moved to another title, userfied to a user subpage, or deleted per the deletion policy. Disambiguation pages are also nominated for deletion at AfD. Bruxton (talk) 22:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

• Keep or merge - The articles says "accused". The consequences of Ohio's strict abortion law causing the victim to travel to Indiana are significant, so the article can be rewritten to encompass this. Notable crimes can be written as a single event, and we can take the name of the accused out of the title and article completely (i.e. 2022 Ohio sexual assault case). Assuming the page can not be kept, it can be merged into Abortion in Ohio. If this were a BLP violation, the name of the suspect would have been removed immediately. The story and name of suspect have nationwide coverage, so removing the name of the suspect would not protect the suspect very much, if at all. People claiming that this is a hoax makes this more notable. Dave Yost doubted the assault, then rejoiced at the arrest. The spelling of the name of the accused, doubts of existence of the 10 year old girl and lack of comments from parents is completely irrelevant. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:27, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. Coverage is all over. Surprised that the article is so slim.--2601:C4:C300:A210:55FF:937B:37EC:3F69 (talk) 02:48, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

• Merge or wait. The crime is horrid but not by itself unique, unfortunately. It does check a lot of other boxes, such as abortion debate, being politicized by the POTUS, by his opposition. The suspect appears to be an undocumented alien, and the doctor leaking the story is now facing a complaint for HIPAA violation. The content should be able to find other homes. Of course, we can also wait and see if anything more develops from it. Cobiexor (talk) 09:37, 15 July 2022 (UTC)