Talk:Hayes Barnard

Hayes Barnard is the CEO of Paramount Equity. Several partner companies of Paramount Equity have Wikipedia entries for their CEO's, I'm not clear as to why this was scheduled for deletion.

Anon8781 (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)anon8781

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because <replace these words with your reason>. — Anon8781 (talk) 21:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia allows for CEO's of various companies to have a Wikipedia entry. Is there a specific reason why the CEO of Paramount Equity cannot be an entry?

Article clean up to remove the Paid editing tag

Hi. I am Jesse, and I work for Hayes Barnard and GoodLeap. I would like to work together with a Wikipedia editor to clean up the Hayes Barnard biography so that the paid editing tag can be removed. I have outlined the following suggestions how to accomplish that, which follow below. I am also open to hearing any additional suggestions so the article adheres to all Wikipedia standards about neutrality and promotional language. Anything else you feel will improve the article so it can be considered a quality biography of a living person on Wikipedia will be happily received.

• Please change the Introduction to the following, which removes the subjective "known for his role as..." and takes out extra details that should not be in the intro:

Hayes Barnard is an American entrepreneur, business owner and philanthropist. He is currently the founder, chairman, and CEO of GoodLeap, a technology-based finance company. Barnard is also the founder, chairman, and CEO of GivePower, a nonprofit that facilitates solar powered projects to provide clean water and energy systems to underserved communities.

• In the fifth paragraph in the Career section, the mention of rebranding is redundant, it was already mentioned in the first paragraph of the Career section; and the last part of this paragraph provides too much detail about the company, which does not need to be in the article about Barnard. Please replace the fifth paragraph the following:

In 2016, Barnard left SolarCity and took on the role of chairman and CEO of Loanpal, a financial technology platform that provides financing for clean energy products. Thank you for your help, JesseGoodLeap (talk) 15:06, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Early life, personal life and rebranding

Hi, this is Jesse again. I am requesting a few straightforward edits. I am calling on Clayoquot to look them over, since she advised me a few weeks ago on how to best improve the article, and I took her advice. Now I am hoping she can continue to be helpful.

• Please add a new "Early life and education" section directly following the introduction, with the following content:

Barnard was born and raised by a single mother in Creve Coeur, Missouri, a suburb of St. Louis. He graduated from the University of Missouri with a degree in management and marketing.

• Please add a new "Personal life" section at the end of the article with the following sentence:

Barnard lives in Austin, Texas with his wife and three children.

• Please add the following sentence after the sentence that begins "In 2016, Barnard left SolarCity..."

In 2021, Loanpal rebranded to GoodLeap. Thank you for all your help. JesseGoodLeap (talk) 16:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Done. I left out the Crunchbase source as the Wikipedia community considers it to be generally unreliable.[1] Does the Bloomberg source fully support the education claim? If not, could you please suggest a source that does? LinkedIn would be fine as a source for this kind of thing. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:20, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Divide Career section and add Philanthropy section

Hi, this is Jesse again. Thank you Clayoquot for implementing my edit request above. Sorry about the Crunchbase source, I will be sure to not use it in the future. The Bloomberg source supports the BA from the University of Missouri, but not the specific degree in management and marketing. But here is the LinkedIn source that does. https://www.linkedin.com/in/hayesbarnard/ I have a few additional edits I would like made to the page, as follows:

1. Please divide the Career section into the following subheadings:
   • Oracle, Paramount Equity Mortgage and Paramount Solar. This is the first sub-heading at the top.
   • SolarCity. This heading begins right after the paragraph that begins with "In 2011, Guthy-Renker..."
   • Loanpal and GoodLeap. This comes right after the paragraph that begins with "In 2014, Barnard founded GivePower..."
   • GoodFinch. This comes directly before the last sentence: In 2020, Barnard stared an asset management fund, GoodFinch.
2. Please create a new section called Philanthropy, and move the following 2 paragraphs from the Career section into the Philanthropy section.
   • The paragraph that begins with "In 2014, Barnard founded GivePower..."
   • The paragraph that begins with "In 2018, Barnard's non-profit organization..."
3. Please add the following to the beginning of the new Philanthropy section: In 2012, while serving as CEO of Paramount Equity, Barnard launched the Hayes Barnard-Paramount Equity Young Entrepreneurs Scholarship, or Y.E.S., for inspiring young business students. The scholarship was designed to support young entrepreneurs as they sought to start their own businesses.

References

Thanks so much. JesseGoodLeap (talk) 17:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jesse. I added the LinkedIn reference, thanks. I'm declining this request for various reasons. Regarding adding headings to the Career section, I don't think these headings will be meaningful to most readers who will be unfamiliar with the company names. Regarding adding a Philanthropy section, starting a non-profit organization and having it do good things is what I think of as volunteer work rather than philanthropy. Overall, the suggested edits are starting to lean towards puffery territory. I would appreciate it if you could restrict your requests to factual corrections and major problems. Best wishes, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing for "philanthropist"

@JesseGoodLeap: and others, can you point me to independent sources that describe Barnard as a philanthropist? He's done some great non-profit work - there is no question about that - but for a claim to be in the first sentence of an article it needs strong sourcing and the claim needs to be prominent within those sources. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:44, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Since no sourcing has been provided for this claim, I'll remove it from the lead section until strong sourcing exists. Please don't take this as "Wikipedia doesn't think Barnard is a generous person" or even "Clayoquot doesn't think Barnard is a generous person". The issue is that the first sentence of an article says what the person is known for. This means there is a high bar for including any descriptors in the first sentence - they not only have to be true, they also have to be what the person is known for. The relevant Wikipedia guideline is here. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 06:30, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Early life, Career and Personal life

Hello, it's Jesse again. I have a few requests as follows:

• In the Early life and education section, please add the following two sentences after "St. Louis" in the first sentence, replacing the last sentence, as follows:

His father left when Barnard was three years old. He won a football scholarship to Central Missouri State, but was injured during his freshman year and subsequently transferred to the University of Missouri, where he graduated with a degree in management and marketing.

• At the beginning of the Career section please add the following sentence:

In 1995 Barnard went to San Francisco to be a part of the hi-tech boom. His first jobs were manning booths at trade shows.

• In the next paragraph which begins "In September 2003," replace "which provided" with "one of the first to provide online. The sentence ends with "residential home loans."
• Please move the entire paragraph that begins "In 2018, Barnard's non-profit organization..." to the end of the paragraph that begins "In 2014, Barnard founded GivePower...", after the words "...and Latin America." The paragraph fits better logically placed here, where the discussion about GivePower is found.
• At the end of the paragraph that begins "In 2016, Barnard left SolarCity..." please add the following phrase, after placing a comma after the word "GoodLeap," "good for life, earth and prosperity." (keep the quotation marks)
• At the end of the Personal life section, please add the following two sentences:

In 2022 Forbes ranked Barnard #271 on the Forbes 400 list with an estimated net worth of $4 billion. In 2020 he scored the highest rank of 10 on the Forbes list of self-made billionaires.

References

If the above edits are okay with EMsmile I am happy to make them directly. Thank you for all your help. JesseGoodLeap (talk) 14:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)