Talk:Rotary International

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Request for semi-protection due to repeated promotion vandalism

In the history of the main article page, both @Fabrickator: and @Viniciusrfi: have been engaged in reverting blatantly promotional edits by users coming in from IP addresses. Can we please get this page semi-protected to prevent this ongoing vandalism? Thank you. - Dyork (talk) 15:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

In researching more on how to request this protection, I have now submitted a request at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Rotary_International - Dyork (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done - the page has now been set to be semi-protected by @Deepfriedokra: (thank you!). I will note that the page has only been semi-protected until June 14, 2020, and it seems that someone has been trying to inject the same promotional text via an IP address since back in January 2020. If that inappropriate editing continues after June 14, we may need to request a longer duration for semi-protection. - Dyork (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Deepfriedokra: and @Dyork: Thanks for protecting the page. As a Rotaract member in Brazil, the insistence of the editions for the self-promotion of member Jean dos Santos Silva caused me indignation. We also had problems with the Portuguese version of this page, in which he also reinserted content in which he promoted himself. So I sought out the authority responsible for ensuring the public image of Rotary in the region (called District 4760) of which the insistent editor is a part. They already assured me that they were going to talk to him about it. That way we will continue to watch for future changes to see if it will repeat the behavior.

And sorry for the bad use of the tools to ask the protection. I was really unaware of the discussion tools and requests for page protection.

Viniciusrfi (talk) 05:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

No need to apologize! Some of these processes are not very clear for people trying to find them. Thank you for your work on this page! - Dyork (talk) 00:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

NOTE - As noted above, the semi-protected status was only granted until June 14, 2020. That status has now been removed, and so it is again possible for edits to be made from IP addresses. - Dyork (talk) 01:36, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

dispute claim of women's organizations pre-dating men's organizations

The Rotary International revision of of 00:51, 22 June 2020 states:

Clubs such as Rotary were predated by women's service organisations, which started in the United States as early as 1790.

(The previous revision describes these as "women's voluntary organizations" instead.)

The cited source (freely downloadable with email confirmation) states:

The exclusion of women from the labor movement in the early part of the century led to American-style service clubs beginning as male-only organizations. It should be noted that women’s volunteer associations appeared in eastern U.S. cities as early as 1790, long before similar men’s organizations.

It's unclear just what point the cited source is making, given that it first states that such organizations ("service clubs") were initially "male-only", but then indicates that "women's volunteer associations" appeared in the U.S. before "similar men's organizations" did.

The WP article seems to extrapolate from this "pre-dating" claim that it applies worldwide.

An additional problem is that there is no clear classification of different types of organizations. Historically, there have been numerous women's charitable organizations, which are certainly service organizations, and there have been various men's fraternal organizations, which may not have started as service organizations but may have had certain "service" activities, which may have become a greater focus of the organization over time.

Suggestions? Fabrickator (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

rant against destructive editing practices

This is a pattern that seems to happen on WP from time to time:

1. a claim is made, with a link to a valid supporting citation
2. the link is observed to be broken, the citation is removed and "citation needed" is added
3. the problem doesn't get fixed
4. content is removed due to failure to rescue the (now missing) link

There are certainly variations on this, but the particularly egregious step here is the removal of the broken link without (evidently) having made exhaustive efforts to find a suitable replacement (such as an archive copy.

The case in point is Rotary International edits from 7 October 2015 to 9 October 2015, the majority done by a single editor.

So this is a work iem, to restore the original citations, and ultimately replace the original citations with suitable archive copies, assuming they're available. Fabrickator (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

sources for claims of changes in prevalence of clubs in Europe

I'm offering a couple of sources to support the text added in edit of 00:14, 21 March 2021 on changes to the prevalence of Rotary clubs in Europe"

• Chicago Tribune (1990-04-15): https://archive.today/20210420222307/https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-04-15-9001310437-story.html
• Deer Park Tribune (1998-12-02): http://dpt.stparchive.com/Archive/DPT/DPT12021998p12.php

I noticed that parts of the article in the Deer Park Tribune source is also repeated in https://www.clubrunner.ca/data/5050/html/1726/Rotary%20history.pdf ... this is a web site that supports "generic" clubs, but evidently hosts some files from various Rotary sources under the "data" subdirectory, such as

• https://clubrunner.ca/data/5050/
• https://clubrunner.ca/data/7080/
• https://clubrunner.ca/data/9465/

Learn how to use Wayback to view all the files on a web site (as traversed by Wayback, up to 100,000 files) or a specific subdirectory thereof. Then you can quickly (nearly instantly) limit the view to files with a specific string in the path. Fabrickator (talk) 06:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

• Fabrickator - FYI, Clubrunner is a site/service that was originally created by Rotarians and today is used by thousands of Rotary clubs and districts to do much of their club administration and also in many cases to host the website for their local club or district. For example, I am currently the Secretary for my local Rotary Club and go into Clubrunner each week to enter in the attendance of members. Another member of our club goes in and updates our website. I believe what you are seeing with the /data/ subdirectory is PDFs and other files that various Rotary clubs have hosted on their individual club sites that have then been indexed by Google. - Dyork (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

NPOV

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this looks like an almost textbook NPOV violation. Am I missing something? I feel like I'm reading promotional material directly from the Rotary International website. Nwebster84 (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)