User talk:AlexBachmann

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Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Multiple OR additions

It would be better to initiate a discussion in the correspondent talkpage in cases of controversial additions. We need to follow carefully wp:BRD circle. Thank you.Alexikoua (talk) 20:35, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

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March 2023

Regarding the 2011 census, it wasn't boycotted by the Greek minority, but it was strongly criticized by the European Council. On the quality of the specific data the Advisory Committee on the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities stated that "the results of the census should be viewed with the utmost caution and calls on the authorities not to rely exclusively on the data on nationality collected during the census in determining its policy on the protection of national minorities." You can see it for yourself here [1]. It can't be used for places inhabited by the Greek minority.

Regarding Kallivretakis, there is nothing outdated about his research. There is no source that says the ethnic composition of the village has changed since 1995. To challenge Kallivretakis, you need a source that says the ethnic composition of the village has changed. You do not have that. Khirurg (talk) 02:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay, then write that it was strongly criticized by the EC. And, in fact, it was boycotted:

"calls to boycott the census have also come by Greek minority organization, Omonia, and the Greek minority party, PBDNJ." (Balkan Insight)

"Most of minority representatives embraced our call for boycotting the census" (unpo.org)

And regarding the fact that there was a strong emigration to Greece since the last years, and decades, it is completely clear that Kallivretakis sources are not to be used (WP:BLUESKY). As I once said at Dropull, I'm not challenging the Greek majority or minority of specific regions, it's just the fact that we're (or better you are) using a 27-year-old source which was also challenged by serveral other Wikipedia editors. Things definitely have changed, especially on the Albanian Riviera since the massive boost of the tourism since the last years. I think it is a good solution to just write "According to..., in 1993 that and this was present". AlexBachmann (talk) 22:00, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if you're gonna see this, therefore I'll tag you. @Khirurg AlexBachmann (talk) 22:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Bottom line is, you don't have a source that the demographic composition of Dhermi has changed since 1995. {{Things definitely have changed especially on the Albanian Riviera]] is original research. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources only, not what some users think has "changed on the Albanian Riviera". Khirurg (talk) 00:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't play the dumb one, again, Kallivretakis will not be allowed in regards under the circumstances of the strong emigration wave to Greece. You know how many Greeks emigrated from Albania. Therefore it is impossible to view his work as valid today.

I don't understand why you're constantly hanging on Kallivretakis, don't you have a newer, better source? I mean you can't write "This and that village is solely/primary inhabited by Greeks" while the source's from 1995? So I'm asking you, if you have a better source that sustains Kallivretakis opinion while still being valid today? AlexBachmann (talk) 22:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Of course I can write that using Kallivretakis, because you don't have a source that says that Albanians have moved into the village (and I mean permenently moved in, not seasonal workers in the tourism industry). It doesn't matter how many Greeks emigrated, the village is still Greek unless you can show that Albanians moved in, which you can't. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, and I have one and you don't. And if you edit war you can explain why you are removing sources using Things definitely have changed especially on the Albanian Riviera to the admins. Khirurg (talk) 00:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Disagree. Regarding all facts that I've listed it would be better to let a admin decide. We still haven't reached consensus and you, full of haste (as always), are reverting the disputed content. AlexBachmann (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Just for the record: Ktrimi991 agreed with me on Dropull, and Maleschreiber stated that Kallivretakis himself is outdated. AlexBachmann (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Naming dispute

You have added the Albanian name to the first line of the lede for several places in Greece, claiming an Albanian presence. In some cases, I was convinced, and let it stay. Now you object to adding the Greek and Aromanian names to a town that has a well known Greek and Aromanian presence? You can't have it both ways. Khirurg (talk) 22:37, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

I wanted to point out that @Alexikoua was the one that removed it and you therefore should reach consensus before adding it. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm sure Alexikoua would not have a problem with my edit. If you think he would, you can ask him. Anyway, your latest edit is fine. Khirurg (talk) 22:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

That's not my job. I'll agree with you on Arta. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:41, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

However on Greeks in Albania my edit has relevance because that may have influenced the number of "ethnic" Greeks living there. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:43, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

It hasn't. This is clearly referring to Albanian migrants in Greece. There is no known cases of Albanians in Albania declaring themselves Greek. It makes no sense, nor is there any benefit for them. Khirurg (talk) 22:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

But that's what the source says. They should declare themselves as Greek in order to get a permit to work in Greece because, obviously, the economy is much better there than in Albania. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but the place to do that is Greece. They can't get a work permit for Greece in Albania. Once they're in Greece, it makes total sense. But there is no way to get a work permit in Albania. Khirurg (talk) 22:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

The source says that it "allegedly encouraged the process of the Greek irrdentism [in North Epirus]" though (that are probably not the exact words but you can read the source too). AlexBachmann (talk) 22:55, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Well the source says "allegedly". It's not a certainty. The source is being careful and also doesn't explain how Albanians in Greece claiming to be Greeks encourages irredentism in another country. By the way, have a look at my latest edit at Vikos gorge, I think that should be ok now. Khirurg (talk) 22:59, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

That's exactly what I wrote, "allegedly". And it says that it has a impact. What about writing "It has been suggested" or something like that? The solution on Vikos is convienient for me. AlexBachmann (talk) 23:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, fine. "It has been suggested" would be ok. Khirurg (talk) 23:07, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Arvanites

Read these comments (by an Albanian user) [2] [3] to see what I'm talking about. There are literally tons of sources on this, it's very very easy to add even more than what is in the article now. Khirurg (talk) 23:20, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

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The thread wasn't started by me, but the OP failed to notify you so I'm doing it on their behalf. 192.76.8.84 (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2023 (UTC)