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Tornado outbreak of June 14-16

I have created a draft; Draft: Tornado outbreak of June 14–16, 2023 for a derecho along with a tornado outbreak ongoing. Feel free to contribute.

VisiblityGale (talk) 18:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright, but don't send it to the mainspace too early. Poodle23 (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

This really should have an article. It has attracted a lot of media coverage, caused 3 fatalities due to tornadoes and another fatality due to wind, lead to record flooding in Pensacola and caused over 600,000 customers to lose power. It’s a shame april 5 never got an article but that’s not a reason to not make an article for this event. Clearly meets WP:GNG. 75.99.68.66 (talk) 22:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

That is a great idea, but a derecho was not confirmed, but there were over 20 tornadoes from the 14 to the 16. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 00:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

We need lots of help on this article. If you can, please help make the article better and more in-depth so we can submit it. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 19:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah the derecho didn't verify so we can't include that, but if the tornado count goes above thirty, I think an article should at least be considered. This was also a highly anomalous event because it produced supercells and tornadoes in the Deep South in June, which is essentially unheard of. I've talked with a few meteorologists, and they've told me they haven't ever seen anything like it before. Also, the strong tornadoes in Ohio were completely unexpected and occurred in a 0% risk area. Maybe not the most impactful outbreak, but definitely one of the more unusual, and I think that makes if fairly noteable.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 00:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

I counted the tornadoes from the 14-16, and counted 31. I think that it deserves a page, but it will likely be shorter, because only 1 EF3 or higher tornado has been confirmed Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

It'll likely grow to above 31 tornadoes as surveys continue, but it's already good for an article as is imo. Like I said, while it wasn't the most notable tornado outbreak in terms of numbers or human impact, it was very notable in terms of being an unusual meteorological event (Dixie tornadoes in June and 0% day surprise sigtors in Ohio).

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 04:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

The article is gonna need a ton of work, we’ll need help in order to be able to get it into main space. 71.125.36.50 (talk) 15:12, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Should someone go ahead and make it public? I'm ok with publishing the article as long as everyone else is.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Yeah it can be published, but references are still going to be added, but it’s not a big issue. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 12:30, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Well it still can't be published yet. We don't have a good meteorological synopsis yet, and we don't have a description either, although I expect those both will be fixed soon. Poodle23 (talk) 13:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@TornadoInformation12: Mind writing the meteorological description and lead? It can be published once that occurs. 104.246.113.199 (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I wrote the original Meteorological synopsis, which was 1 paragraph. The page still needs a lot of work though Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 16:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

It will likely take at least 5 more days to get it partially ready. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 16:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

It shouldn’t take five days if we work efficiently. However that’s why TI12 helping would be nice. 104.246.113.199 (talk) 17:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

There will likely be a confirmed tornado count over 45, and we don’t even have a proper meteorological synopsis. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 20:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Are you new to editing weather articles? Just asking. Poodle23 (talk) 20:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

No, I’ve just never worked in the creation of pages. This is the first time I’ve worked on a draft. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 20:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Alright. Poodle23 (talk) 20:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

June 14-16 outbreak

can i add the 10 EF0 tornadoes that touched down in alberta to this section? CKulak05 (talk) 07:58, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

You can add it to the page, but make it separate by putting the following information.

June [insert day number here] (Canada)

[put information about tornadoes here] Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

awesome thank you! CKulak05 (talk) 00:47, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

June 17 derecho

A derecho event is unfolding, with winds over 80 miles an hour in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. This may be included in a separate page from the June 14-16 tornado outbreak Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Has it been confirmed as a derecho event by an official meteorological source? We can't make the call of derecho ourselves. It has to be confirmed by the NWS. If it is though, I'd be ok with adding it as part of the upcoming article, as there were some additional tornadoes today anyway, and plus I believe all this severe weather is associated with the same upper level trough that produced all the other recent tornadoes.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 04:38, 18 June 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

It only started a few hours ago, but the structure and information based on radar suggests a derecho, with the system stretching from central Oklahoma ro central Kansas, and 80 to 90 mph velocities were observed in multiple areas. 2603:80A0:1100:1380:D82C:8ED0:A538:F73D (talk) 04:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I have created a draft for this event. Please contribute as I believe it is a high priority manner. Draft:2023 Tulsa, Oklahoma derecho VisiblityGale (talk) 05:16, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Guys...without NWS confirmation, we don't have a confirmed derecho, no matter what the radar shows. We don't have the facts yet, so that would be presumptive. Also VisibilityGale you need to be more careful with jumping the gun. You're a bit trigger happy with the drafts and should probably reel it in a bit. Again, this is NOT yet a confirmed derecho, and adding a tone of urgency (ie "high priority manner") speeds up the process towards unnecessary article creation, rather than cautious and deliberate consideration of official NWS surveys and public information releases. Also, if this ends up being considered a continuation of the June 14-16 event, we won't need a separate article. I'm wavering from the extra caution approach, so please, slow down and wait until more information is verified.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 05:59, 18 June 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

From what I've seen, this MCS has been producing wind for over 200 miles, and is expected to continue, hence why I've called it a "derecho", but I do agree with you that we need official confirmation. :) VisiblityGale (talk) 06:14, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

There was a Severe thunderstorm warning in Tulsa, OK for 100 Mph winds, although no directly confirmed derecho was confirmed by the NWS, it has a high chance because of the structure Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 13:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm with TI12 with this. At the moment, the NWS has not confirmed a derecho, I think the NWS will confirm it was, but let's not jump the gun just yet into declaring that it was. If it is also a continuation of June 14-16, then another article isn't needed. As far as I know, there were a couple SVR-Ds, a CEM, and a bow echo along the MCS, but a derecho is unconfirmed at this time. There's also numerous damage reports coming in as well, that can be added to the draft, but it's not ready for article-space. Tails Wx 14:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Many people are saying the NWS will likely classify it a derecho, but I haven't seen official confirmation yet. 2600:1014:B1E0:48EA:0:2E:CE16:D501 (talk) 14:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

By actual meteorological classification, this was a significant and historic derecho event. But as Tails said, we should wait before jumping the gun. Wikiwillz (talk) 16:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Outbreak Sequence?

Feel free to shoot it down, but should we consider maybe an outbreak sequence article? While maybe not the most prolific or impactful outbreak sequence, it is highly unusual and there have been daily tornadoes ever since June 14th as we continue to be in one of the strangest June patterns I've ever seen. We just had the Tulsa straight-line wind embedded tornado event, and tonight I think we just had another bizarre strong Dixie tornado in June near Louin, MS. If there end up being additional EF2 or stronger tornadoes after June 16th (I suspect Louin will be), I think we should expand the proposed article into an outbreak sequence article. What do you guys think? TornadoInformation12 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

Possibly, considering there have been lots of tornadoes, flash flooding, and a possible derecho. But there is no information on the 17 or 18 that I could find, so if it is created, some information will have to wait. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 12:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

There is already a draft page on the tornadoes of June 14-16, link on the top topic, and we can add stuff to there. Meowmeowcat12 (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Not to pre-rate, but I believe Louin will be high end EF3 to low-end EF4 considering a couple DI's. I believe we should merge everything and make an outbreak sequence. Too many significant events to not do one. Wikiwillz (talk) 17:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)