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:Fixed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=258th_Lithuanian_Police_Battalion&diff=1178552512&oldid=1178258368]. [[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:Fixed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=258th_Lithuanian_Police_Battalion&diff=1178552512&oldid=1178258368]. [[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
::Not really, we should add parameter "allegiance = [[Nazi Germany]]" [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 12:40, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
::Not really, we should add parameter "allegiance = [[Nazi Germany]]" [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 12:40, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:::It was not part of the ''[[Wehrmacht]]'', so adding ''[[Ordnungspolizei]]'' is more accurate.--[[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:::It was not part of the ''[[Wehrmacht]]'', so adding ''[[Ordnungspolizei]]'' is more accurate.--[[User:
::::I'm not talking about Wehrmacht, but about adding parameter "allegiance = Nazi Germany" [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 20:21, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]]... sigh <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 13:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
:::unreal. It was only a few hours ago that I decided that I didn't need to tell two grown men to play nice at the end of my post over at the other article.

*'''{{u|Cukrakalnis}}'''', when someone objects to your edits you are supposed to stop and discuss, not start another dumpster fire on another talk page somewhere else.
*'''And you, {{ping|Marcelus}}!''' I really want to know why it matters ''this much'' to you what it says in the infobox of a Wikipedia page that literally nobody but Cukrakalnis cares about? At all? Let him finish writing before you pick the nuclear option!

Sure it should be accurate, but are you really really certain that you know that looks like? A fast skim of your comments above noted lots of phrases about "most of these units". You're probably right about "most of these units"; I am sure you are, actually, but do you know that ''for sure'' about '''this''' unit? Because accuracy, remember? But this isn't the unit we've been talking about so offhand I myself don't know. ''Demonstrate'' that they guarded a concentration camp and for what it may be worth, I will support adding a Nazi affiliation to the ridiculous infobox even though it's against my religion to touch one. Assuming we all wiki-survive this, that is.

I'm really disappointed in you both and fine then, I will go comment at AE, but I dunno if anyone will listen; you two sure didn't. More likely popcorn prices will instead go through the roof and a parade of people will say more ridiculous stuff than we can possibly refute, and ALL of us will get indeffed for whitewashing Nazis or something equally stupid and untrue. There's a small glimmer of hope in that the people there right now at least seem to be reading the evidence. For once. People. Next time you decide to commit mutual mayhem over the contents of a stinking infobox lose the part about asking me to comment on it, ok? Please. My comment right now is that this is REALLY bad idea and if you are allowed to withdraw this complaint you should. And '''{{u|Piotrus}}''' I will be wanting a word with you also about the things it is good to mention sometimes when you ping other people into a discussion.
But first, AE.[[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 15:28, 11 October 2023 (UTC
:Yes, Elinruby, I am sure that the unit, which was part of the German police during the Second World War, had allegiance to the Nazi Germany. It applies to all of the battalions, not only that one. {{tq|Next time you decide to commit mutual mayhem}}, nothing like this happened. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 16:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC
::::not yrt Marcelus. I will be amazed if you don't get sanctioned. By now I am probably not the only one calling for a boomerang because you really and truly are refusing to discuss or even listen apparently. I put a lot of effort into trying to prevent exactly what we have here right now and you filed a5 AE anyway. This article seems like a very fringe case for you position, Y9u better hope we continue to get an intelligent group again today because let me tell you the average American editor over there just, will. not. understand, a blood feud for years over the Lithuanian coat of arms or whatever it is that you two have going one here.

If you don't it will be be cause I did, since the last time I was at AE it expressed as an offical opinion that it's just fine to call me ignorant and incompetent because everyone knows how bad the collaboration article is and it's up to me to engage with the person who keeps reverting my attempts to discuss because they don't want me sullying their talk page.

You may not be aware that I am currently page blocked from the collaboration article because a shiny new newbie showed yp and wanted to write up Romani and I was like yay because nobody working on the page knew a damn thing about Romania including me. But Slatersteven doesn't like people talking on the ralk page and started systematically reverting every edit the kid made, and got even more upset because like newbies do, he put his stuff in the lede and I'm trying to explain due weight and the kid is kinda listening but he wants to talk about Romanians being plenty anti-semitic before the Germans ever got thete and hey France went through that...But now Slatersteven is really upset because we aren't obeying him, lol, and he tells the kid we don't need no stinking Romanian history and I am saying nuh uh we do because otherwise it will wind up being me that tries to write it like in Yugslavia and Montenegro and Greece, with which I wikk also be starring at zero...
'''''I willl fix thsi shortly but I jusr accidentally rebooted with all this unsav ed and somehow didnt kise i6. Maube I whould deal with th= pasts of the talk page that dont; require a long story forst. But Maecelus I really want you ro read the long stpry at some point today so so you understand that I am in grave danger ior want you to read this at
here or betting indedfed over your arrogant and mistaken asa.''''' saving brb

do you even remember Trangabellam trying to make you lose your temper when you were on zero revert???? one of the Polish massacre articles she bulldozed. I think it wqa and I I had jusr seen her do exactly the same thing to a guy from India who just. wan3ed. to keep an articl about his village from going awayat AjD and she goy him so upset he couldn't type and then she made fun of him and hr called in some adfms like i5 was a system they have and they already knew he supposedly didn't speak English and they blocked him because competence is required. All this as I watching realtime and trying to st0p ut, like gggx, I undertand him JUST FINE and I will make sure thEarticle is good but they completely ignored me and didnt even answer, and then she heard of Grabowsky and srtrted on you and Piotrus and VM, but you guys were maade of sterner sturr qnd I was proud of you all but that thing about Only PhDs in Holocausr studies was just so egregious thqt I tried to report he. That is why I was on Bishonen's talk pahe that time when I pinged you

you still with me Marc3lus? I am a terrible typist, even slowly, but almost done.

coo was telling him his Jstor reference ar5icle was no goos jusr like as UI ewca;; t thatm recall she was ttelling you and VM tha5 for your reference

stage so maybe so kid but the way this is done is you writr the rection then the lede or if you want you could see if there is an antisemitism in see if there is a so ant
::Stop caring so much about the infobox - they're only complementary to an article. As I said, ''Ordnungsdienst'' is enough in the allegiance because this police unit was not part of the armed forces of a sovereign Nazi German state.
::This is most certainly a case of mayhem, why are you even denying this? [[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 12:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
:::So if infobox is irrelevant why not simply just add proper allegiance there and move on? [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 13:47, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
:I'm sorry @[[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] that you're disappointed by me, even if I'm not the one who starts the mayhem on the talk pages. I would also like to know @[[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]]' response to Elinruby's question just above, because he just ignored it.
:This unit did not ever come near a concentration camp and existed for only four months. The attention this unit is getting is irrational. My feeling about this is that it is just pitiful that so much time was spent on the talk page of a very obscure unit when far more important articles on WW2 history demand attention. [[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 12:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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Lithuanian Polisce Battalions allegiance to Nazi Germany

Recently, information about their allegiance to Nazi Germany was removed from the infobox in articles about Lithuanian auxiliary police battalions (259th, 258th, 256th, 10th). In my opinion, this is a mistake and it should be reverted to the previous state of affairs. These battalions were units formed from ethnic Lithuanians that were subordinate to German authorities and carried out their orders. It is enough to quote the researcher of collaboration in Lithuania Joachim Tauber: The Development or Labor Services very quickly progressed into Lithuanian auxiliary police battalions, which were subordinate to the Commander of the Ordnungspolizei. These battalions consisted largely of volunteers with a background in the military or in the police, and from the start their duties involved not only security, but also ideological matters. Some of the units became nothing more than murder squads and served as the executioners of entire Jewish communities, or as the guards of the ghettos into which the survivors were crammed. [Tauber, Joachim (2021). "Collaboration in Lithuania". In Bitunjac, Martina; Schoeps, Julius H. (eds.). Complicated Complicity: European Collaboration with Nazi Germany during World War II. p. 129.] Marcelus (talk) 20:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed [1]. Cukrakalnis (talk) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, we should add parameter "allegiance = Nazi Germany" Marcelus (talk) 12:40, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was not part of the Wehrmacht, so adding Ordnungspolizei is more accurate.--[[User:
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