Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michele Evans: Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Revision as of 14:58, 10 January 2024

Michele Evans

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Prodded by Escape Orbit as "Self published author, fails notability. Article reads like an autobiography focused on linking to Amazon and Barns and Noble self-published books". Prod removed without explanation here, but like EO I can find no evidence of notability. I don't think any of the sources in the article currently contribute to GNG: they're either by Evans, do not discuss her in depth, or "rumors/gossip". Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:13, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the history, the like links were added when the inclusion of the description of the book was contested and were put in place to allow the reader to view them from their origin.

I'm really surprised at the hate Michele is receiving. She is not just an author so deleting based on self publishing assertions fall flat.

Must I provide example after example of articles on wikipedia that have less documentation?

It is my position you are targeting Michele because of her situation with Sharpe. Which by the way, article after article could be sourced providing these indepth sources which are claimed to be missing.

This article reads as it does because no discussion on Michele is allowed and anything thing not sterile is swiftly deleted. 69.117.93.145 (talk) 10:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is nothing more than WP:SOURCESEXIST, with a bunch of unsupported and completely false theorising about my motives on top. If "article after article ... providing these indepth sources" exists, then provide them. I have looked and I cannot find them, so until some evidence that they actually exist is provided I can only assume that they do not. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can't find articles on Michele Evans and Shannon Sharpe?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michele-bundy-accuses-shannon-sharpe-of-sex-assault-cbs-analyst-steps-aside/

https://www.tmz.com/2010/09/17/shannon-sharpe-accuser-michele-bundy-nfl-denver-broncos-relationship-dating-2002/

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/tarnished-twenty/michele-bundy-files-restraining-order-against-shannon-sharpe/

https://www.westword.com/news/shannon-sharpe-takes-leave-from-cbs-due-to-restraining-order-see-documents-here-5861925

https://www.tvguide.com/news/shannon-sharpe-sexual-assault-1023089/

https://www.nydailynews.com/2010/09/15/shannon-sharpe-takes-leave-of-absence-from-cbs-after-michele-bundy-alleges-sex-assault/

https://nypost.com/2019/09/22/antonio-brown-glued-to-twitter-after-being-sacked-by-patriots/

https://www.denverpost.com/2010/09/14/sharpe-to-take-leave-of-absence-from-cbs/

These are just a few. Assuming is not cool my friend. 69.117.93.145 (talk) 10:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Post is not reliable, TMZ is questionably reliable, and none of these sources are in depth coverage of Evans which contribute to establishing her notability. If the only reason Evans ever recieved any mention in reliable sources was that she filed for a restraining order against Shannon Sharpe back in 2010, then at best maybe this could be a redirect to Shannon Sharpe#Personal life, except this was clearly so irrelevant that it isn't even mentioned in that article. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WOW!!!! So we are going to just gloss over the fact she was published in the NEW YORK TIMES????? Make her life about Shannon? The only reason these links were included was to dispute claims articles don't exist. To downplay her success is shameful. Do you know how hard it is to get your work published in the New York Times? Have you done it? Why not?

Redirect to SHANNON????? I am dumbfounded that was even typed! She is a software engineer who you have probably used her brain cells given she developed the video player for espn.com and march madness, not to mention tiger woods website, which has a citation. Right click on that cited archive page and view source to confirm she was one of the engineers on his website!

She has authored 4 published books. Made Movies. Written screenplays. Was a sports reporter. Is an advocate for social justice reform, testifying at the city council etc.

And you want to make her life about Shannon??? Redirect? OMG!! I would like to nominate you as a hostile contributor. How do I do that? 69.117.93.145 (talk) 14:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, you don't have to "provide example after example of articles on wikipedia that have less documentation" - see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. GoingBatty (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CAPTAIN RAJU Can't help but notice you added all these. discussion groups but left off Domestic Violence deletion discussion inclusion. Was that because it doesn't exist or because you included only ones you felt were relevant? Please add the Domestic Violence deletion discussion if it exists! 69.117.93.145 (talk) 11:16, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Domestic violence. GoingBatty (talk) 14:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. None of the above sources are SIGCOV in my opinion. ~~In the article, this NY Times article might be but it is locked beyond a paywall.~~ The rest of the sources there are not SIGCOV. Alvaldi (talk) 11:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On a second look I see the NY Times article is an opinion piece written by her. Alvaldi (talk) 12:01, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added Santa Clara University link to enhance 69.117.93.145 (talk) 12:06, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Santa Clara University source is not a WP:SIGCOV about Evans. Alvaldi (talk) 12:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Including for reference because comments made in discussion DO NOT align with Wikipedia standards: Please refer to bolded text.

Notability requires verifiable evidence

Shortcuts

The common theme in the notability guidelines is that there must be verifiable, objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability.

No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest, nor a result of promotional activity or indiscriminate publicity, nor is the topic unsuitable for any other reason. Sources of evidence include recognized peer-reviewed publications, credible and authoritative books, reputable media sources, and other reliable sources generally. 69.117.93.145 (talk) 12:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG requires multible sources of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. None have been presented here. Alvaldi (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh for the love of all that is holly. Added 15 reliable sources to the article that are independent of the subject. 69.117.93.145 (talk) 12:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know if the new 15 are not enough. I'll get more but feel adding more is redundant. 69.117.93.145 (talk) 13:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your addition is what is generally called a WP:REFBOMB. These are all just coverage of the same 2010 case that briefly mention the subject. There is no significant coverage of Evans/Bundy in those sources. Alvaldi (talk) 13:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

without regard as to whether they support substantive or noteworthy content is where your position fails. It is in no way a refbomb according to the very definition. To say articles about bundy/evans getting a restraining order against sharpe are just brief mentions is untrue at best. The whole articles are about her. Unless of course, you are reading with biased colored glasses. 69.117.93.145 (talk) 13:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications.

Evans' book on Rikers Island, in which she is an established expert by being incarcerated there, and who had her work about the subject, previously published by the reliable, independent publication, New York Times, is tantamount to this discussion. Please try to read the fine print of what you are making claims about! 69.117.93.145 (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:RS/SPS 69.117.93.145 (talk) 14:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Her notability seems to be based on a few things;

Author. Self published only, so unlikely to be notable
Software Engineer. Not notable. Creating Tiger Woods' website is not sufficient, and source cited does not support this claim.
Sports Reporter. Possibly, but entirely unsourced and almost purposely vague.
A single op-ed in The New York Times written by her.
An appearance before New York City Council, about the same matter
Her relationship with her husband and former boyfriend. Notability is not inherited, and it's not Wikipedia's job to air the trials of otherwise private individuals not in the public eye. (Whether they are ok with that or not.)
Her descent from "notable historical figures" - as above, notability is not inherited
Her film-making. Potentially her strongest claim, but the sources are either just a listings of herself in IMDB and one of her films in a user generated website. These are not sufficient. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 14:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 25: / Line 25: @@
 :::These are just a few.  Assuming is not cool my friend. [[Special:Contributions/69.117.93.145|69.117.93.145]] ([[User talk:69.117.93.145|talk]]) 10:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::::The ''New York Post'' is not reliable, TMZ is questionably reliable, and none of these sources are in depth coverage of Evans which contribute to establishing her notability. If the only reason Evans ever recieved any mention in reliable sources was that she filed for a restraining order against Shannon Sharpe back in 2010, then at best maybe this could be a redirect to [[Shannon Sharpe#Personal life]], except this was clearly so irrelevant that it isn't even mentioned in that article. [[User:Caeciliusinhorto-public|Caeciliusinhorto-public]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto-public|talk]]) 11:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
+:::::WOW!!!!  So we are going to just gloss over the fact she was published in the NEW YORK TIMES?????  Make her life about Shannon?  The only reason these links were included was to dispute claims articles don't exist.  To downplay her success is shameful.  Do you know how hard it is to get your work published in the New York Times? Have you done it?  Why not?
+:::::Redirect to SHANNON?????  I am dumbfounded that was even typed!  She is a software engineer who you have probably used her brain cells given she developed the video player for espn.com and march madness, not to mention tiger woods website, which has a citation.  Right click on that cited archive page and view source to confirm she was one of the engineers on his website!
+:::::She has authored 4 published books.  Made Movies.  Written screenplays.  Was a sports reporter.  Is an advocate for social justice reform, testifying at the city council etc.
+:::::And you want to make her life about Shannon???  Redirect? OMG!!  I would like to nominate you as a hostile contributor.  How do I do that? [[Special:Contributions/69.117.93.145|69.117.93.145]] ([[User talk:69.117.93.145|talk]]) 14:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 ::No, you don't have to "provide example after example of articles on wikipedia that have less documentation" - see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 14:28, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Actors and filmmakers|list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:CAPTAIN RAJU|<span style="font-family: Bradley Hand ITC;">'''CAPTAIN RAJU'''</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:CAPTAIN RAJU|(T)]]</sup> 10:35, 10 January 2024 (UTC)</small>