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I am human, so sometimes I make mistakes. If you have come here to complain about something I have done, please do not take it personally.
Explain where you think I've gone wrong and I will happily explain what I was thinking when I did it. With your help I can rectify any errors I may have made. Thanks.

It's funny because it's true[edit]

I was thoroughly entertained by your (relatively ancient) edit here. You were able to express a policy point in a way that involved the possibility of Jeff Lynne dropping around your place for tea, and that's a valuable contribution. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 17:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Well he's still very welcome. He could bring Richard Tandy. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


I'm very disappointed that you removed my contribution. I think information about music should actually include a link to the music, not just chatter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliemargaret (talkcontribs) 00:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

A link to the music wouldn't be one that lead to your blog, or act as a portal for sales through Amazon Associates that earns your blog referral fees. If you think these article would benefit with a list of artists who have covered the song, and some of them would be extremely long and uninformative lists, then please add it to the article itself. Thanks. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 19:17, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

5 Things You Should Do in Hong Kong's Universities[edit]

Thanks for your suggestion. I am the author of the article of "5 Things You Should Do in Hong Kong's Universities". It is a term orginated from the University of Hong Kong and it has been widely used by Hong Kong local's media press, newspapers and universities. Every Hong Kong students recognize such term. We actually have cited the source of its originality:

To have a further insight, please feel free to visit :

Sources: (local newspapers which adopt the term of "5 things to do in Hong Kong's Universities)  (The Chinese University of Hong Kong has published a newsletter about "5 things to do in Universities") (The Encyclopedia of Virtual Communities in Hong Kong has provided a detailed explanation of those 5 things)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicoyu0710 (talkcontribs) 17:02, 5 November 2014 (UTC) 

November 2014[edit]

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Rangers F.C.[edit]

Hello. I'm messaging to ask why you undid my edit to the Rangers F.C. article. Can you explain what is nonconstructive about adding one of the club's nicknames? Thanks. Zacwill16 (talk) 22:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


Hello, i just startend the lifesimplylove project last months with friends. Please take it off the list for speedy nomination. It is a good cause.kind regards, phil — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:50, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia is notability, not whether it is a good cause or not. You also shouldn't be adding articles about projects you are personally involved with. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Mayoon - Alexander the Great's Army[edit]

I appreciate your edits to the Mayoon article. I selected this article for editing because it appeared in a WP listing of pieces in desperate need of a complete overhaul. It was a mess when I began (you can see that in earlier histories). You are correct that citations and references are still needed - I just unearthed a nice original document about a battle at Mayoon, written in the 19th C by a Brit who was wounded there. I'll be adding that soon. Still looking for other references to cite for other parts of the article.

Twice you have deleted the story about Alexander the Great's army because it is only speculated that the Mayoons are descended of his leagues. You are correct. This bit was in the original piece by earlier authors, placed there months ago, and presented as unsubstantiated fact. (I don't know why no one bothered to remove it until I started these edits.) Like you, I was tempted to delete the piece entirely until I started doing the research. I would like to see this left in because (even though it is unproven) there are references to the idea that the local residents believe they are descendants of the failed invasion's soldiers. This would be similar to saying that people who are Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah. It is a cultural belief even if it refers to a speculative notion and it is left in the Jesus articles because - speculative or not - it is what some people believe. Can you help me find an appropriate way to indicate that the Mayoons believe their light skin and European features are the result of Illyrian lineage? It should be said in a way that indicates this in an unfounded belief, but one that the people there take seriously. As evidence of the latter, I used a YouTube video. I previewed seven (!) and this one seemed the best representation of their idea. (It was not "a random" link to YouTube, but a selected representative clip.) Again, the point is not to say there is any truth in their notion, but it is a culturally held idea of the locals. (I placed it in a new Culture section I added partly for this reason.) If you could help with the wordsmithing, that would be great! Thanks! --Migco (talk) 21:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, when I said "random" I meant in the way that it was no way authoritative. It appears to be an edited and strangely overdubbed (sounds like a computer generated voice), most likely a copyright violation, and uploaded by an unknown "random" person. That makes it unsuitable, because what it says could have been manipulated or misinterpreted in dozens of way. I've no problem at all of adding this as a cultural and historical belief of the Mayoons, but it's something that needs a good source. Suitably and neutrally worded it can then be left to the reader to decide how credible a claim it is, Wikipedia shouldn't be making that decision. Happy to help out if you can locate a good source. Youtube videos are rarely good sources. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I will look for other sources. The article has been a major time-sink, but it's an interesting topic. Very few sources are in any of the languages I can read. Again, about the YouTube video - it was not used as a reference to prove that the people are Illyrian descendants (I agree that the video does not prove it) but rather I used the link to show that such beliefs exist, not to confirm any validity of those beliefs. However, I can see that linking to the clip might convey the impression that the abandoned army theory is a fact. I defer to your experience and concur that a better source should be found that indicates these people have this cultural belief. Thanks. --Migco (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


You reverted my talk page update to the Obama Birth Certificate controversy. First question is why? The bottom line is that what I posted is factual, your ignoring it is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycroft 514 (talkcontribs) 19:28, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Reply on User talk:Mycroft 514. Talk page is not a forum for discussing theories or evidence. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok, then where do you allow for presentation of evidence. i thought Wikipedia was supposed to be about truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mycroft 514 (talkcontribs) 03:58, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

You're mistaken on the nature of Wikipedia. It is an encyclopedia and is primarily concerned with verifiability, not truth. It has nowhere for you to present your original research, because that's not what it does. If you believe you have the truth, then please publish it elsewhere. Thanks. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Punch Buggy Edit[edit]

Hi. I hope this is the right place to post this reply to your Punch Buggy edit - I'm relatively new to the Wikipedia platform and I don't know what the protocol is for disputing an administrative edit.

You are correct that this is my first-hand observation, but that is all that exists for this topic -- and many other similar folk topics (be they games, stories, lyrics, etc.) that have a high degree of regional variation and neither an official document of record nor a recognized expert that can be cited. Does this mean we ignore all regional variants of these themes? Presumably not: much of this Punch Buggy entry would then be removed (eg, the Brazil variant and the Newport Beach variant -- which cites a self-published book on the topic, which is like citing one's own blog as a source), and other entries -- eg, "White elephant gift swap," which is almost entirely uncited variations on a folk game -- might have to go away altogether.

That would be a shame. These folk themes are an important part of our culture. They develop on their own in real time, not bound by any official text or historical record. How they manifest in different places directly reflects our regional diversity and I would argue is an important part of the human experience. Wikipedia is a platform -- the only platform ever invented -- that can effectively capture and record these vast, dynamic themes and present them accurately and completely in both real time and for the historical record. Isn't that what it's for?

Ralphieman (talk) 14:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Mona Lisa[edit]

Probably another one of the many Kempler socks. Dougweller (talk) 19:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Docker Redirect[edit]

Hi EO,

Did you notice my response over here? Bsouthwell (talk) 17:11, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


Hello Mr. Escape Orbit, I was trying to edit the saddle page and noticed that it did not have a reliable source to get a quality made saddle for a good price. People read about them and if they get one I know I would want to see a link. It said at the top of the page that it was looking for a reliable source for saddles and they are as reliable as anybody. Please reconsider taking down the link. They sell more saddles than anyone in the world and they are a reliable source. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wadebaize (talkcontribs) 17:47, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

references for sexism article[edit]

Hi, I've made a quick google for references this sentence:

"Many economists and feminist scholars have argued that this is the result of systemic gender-based discrimination in the workplace. Many others have argued that this is the natural result of women choosing to work less and in less well-paid professions. In the US, there exists a particularly acute problem with males consistently getting worse academic results than females. Some studies and sociologists point out how this is likely due to school emphasizing qualities that are more common in girls and less common in boys."

boys gap:

female page gap: supposedly there's a paper referenced in this article: but I can't see the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

as I'm not that familiar for wikipedia, can you point me to what kind of material in those cases could be good references? it seemed to me that to say that "some studies and sociologists" and "many others" is quite justified given the amount of results found for both topics

thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:44, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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Full circle rainbow[edit]

In response to your remarks to my latest edit in Full circle rainbow, whether 1) confusion with the 22° halo is common, and whether 2) "snowbow" is an inaccurate term: 1. Yes, the confusion is fairly common: A google query for "full circle rainbow" results in many images of the 22° halo. 2. Halos are not caused by snow (i.e., conglomerates of dendritic ice crystals), but by free floating ice crystals in the shape of hexagonal prisms: see If one must insist, "ice bow" would be closer to reality, except for the fact that a 22° halo rarely shows as a "bow" but rather as a full circle. Drabkikker (talk) 14:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

EDIT: It would seem a snowbow is a different phenomenon: See the newly added section Snowbow. I am unable to verify this, but until further notice I've removed the reference in Full circle rainbow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drabkikker (talkcontribs) 16:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


Dear Escape Orbit Thanks for adjusting the Auramics page, but that music blog wasn't a personal blog it was a legitimate music blog that is featured on hype machine, please advise:

Please advise, Cheers, TheTurquoisesummer

I don't know. It looks like a personal blog to me. No organisation behind it is identified, or indeed any individual. Being listed on hype machine doesn't change this, in fact they make a point about picking blogs that are particularly personal.
I wouldn't worry about it if it wasn't for the fact that all the other sources are equally poor. A one time mention of a recording on a largely anonymous blog isn't going to help you demonstrate notability. You need something more authoritative or mainstream published. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Here's Sound Injections page. have a look they cites tons of bands. Anyway will be getting some more sources shortly!


There's a discussion about this going on at Talk:Haggis, so please feel free to offer your opinion there. Squinge (talk) 13:51, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I see you already did! Squinge (talk) 13:52, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for fixing the grammar in my article . It is nice to see others taking an interest in Robison.

Understood, I'll keep what you said in mind, that is helpful. I think, overall, the article is nearing what I hoped it would be. I am still finding any useful information though. Again thank you


A reference has been added to the Robison article so you don't need to bother me about and I can continue to do actual helpful work. TheGracefulSlick

It sad you think your contributing when there's many others constantly working to add content and create articles. You, on the other hand, just criticize work without actually trying to rebut it with any sources of your own. But anyways, peace to you brother if this is what you consider "helpful".

I'm not trying to "rebut" anything. I'm trying to ensure that the contents of Wikipedia maintain a high standard and that guidelines and policies are followed. It's sad you don't think these are important. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh yes clearly that is what I'm thinking, congratulations you got me you genius. I CLEARLY create and improve articles just because I don't seem to care about the standards for them. You are soooo smart, did you figure out my "evil scheme" on your own? Dang didn't see that coming!

I think this conversation is done. Please try to following policy and guidelines in future. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

This is not trolling so actually read if you please. I realize my articles have bare references and its not my strong suit to fix them. I'd be appreciative if you could assist me in the issue as a type of cooperation. If you still hold a grudge than ignore this as I can easily fine another partner regarding the matter. Peace

I understand what your asking of me and I'll do every I can to follow the guidelines from now on.

P.S. - thanks for dealing with me in a respectable manner when I was uncooperative. I have nearly fixed links on all my past developements and continue to on new ones. So again, thanks!

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For cleaning up The Nice, something I have been meaning to do for literally years, but never quite got round to doing. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank You.[edit]

I shall undo and add sources later, I forgot to add them, thanks for the reminder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigGoubo (talkcontribs) 15:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk Talk[edit]

I have been making some articles recently and this is my latest. I was wondering if you want to check Talk Talk. I have properly citated it, so that should not be an issue. I need to add a production and apperances category, but other than that, it's a finished product. Hopefully it will show you I'm trying to listen to your advice and improve, especially on my own pieces like this one. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:49 February 23, 2015

That looks very good. I only had one minor change; Wikipedia is international, so saying "national" doesn't tell the reader which nation. It would also be good if you found an existing article to link the RCA Recording Studios to, and add some categories at the foot of the page.
The statement "Their single was one of the earliest examples of proto-punk rock." isn't verified by the cite, which describes it as "a garage punk classic". Maybe simply describing it as garage punk would be less likely to be challenged?
You should add this to the disambiguation page here. And put {{For|other uses of this phrase|Talk Talk (disambiguation)}} at the top of your page.
But a credible article. Further article like this one would be great. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I'll add those other suggestions in the article. This is what you should expect from me from now on, so there should be less issues. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 8:23 February 24, 2015

Inside Artists[edit]

Hello there, Reliable sources have been added to Inside Artists wiki page. It now has more sources than most others listed in the British arts magazines category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Candytalker (talkcontribs) 10:22, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Please see what I said on the talk page. Reliable sources are not pages by the magazine itself, or press releases by the magazine. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 13:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Supertramp[edit]

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Supertramp (Roger Hodgson) NukeofEarl rv removal of information[edit]


Thank you for helping to maintain factual cited information on the Supertramp page. The user "NukeofEarl" is removing information from the Roger Hodgson page again without explanation, reasoning "rv vandalism" when all information I have provided has proper citation. Could you please have a look and provide your opinion on the matter?

Thanks for your time and help! QuietestMoments (talk) 20:33, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I have posted on the talk page with bullet points that require explanations for removal. I am baffled as to why information provided with proper citations is being deleted without any explanation. Please have a stop by and let me know of any errors of judgement.

New User[edit]

Hi, there is a new user by the name of MarKreationStudios (see my talk page) who is working on an article. To be honest with you, it's sub-par, but I wanted someone more capable to advice him. So could you please assist the user in understanding article guidelines? Thanks for your consideration. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 20:57 March 5, 2015

Undoing my 'Follow Me Boys' page[edit]

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I 'undid' your 'undid' editing. I can play this game for decades you sad little fuck.

Wikipedia does not report "rumours", especially those unsourced. This is not a game. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:00, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit summary at David Gray (snooker player)[edit]

The reason you provided in this edit summary is simply not acceptable. You should not accuse another editor of "fraud" unless you are sure of your facts, and you are clearly incorrect in your assertion that this Youtube video stream is not an official stream published by Pattaya People. Its legitimacy can be verified by a link to the video on the Pattaya People website. However, I will assume good faith and accept you honestly thought you were acting in the best interests of the article and hopefully now the veracity of the video has been established this issue is resolved. I have replaced the direct Youtube link with a link to Pattaya People to help prevent further misunderstandings. Betty Logan (talk) 21:13, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Explanation on Betty Logan's talk page. Please read edit summary carefully before jumping to conclusions. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:19, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Montanabw Duckbox[edit]

Hi, it's been awhile, sorry it is under darker circumstances. There is a discussion (Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Montanabw/Duck box) that I was hoping you could place an opinion on. I trust you as an editor, so I believe your view is valuable.

On a lighter note, I was editing L.A. Woman, I am not finished yet, but I was wondering if that is something you wanna check out. See how I improved and what not. Peace and best regards. TheGracefulSlick ( talk)

logo for The Gobbins[edit]

Hi Escape Orbit,

Cheers for your previous changes on The Gobbins - I get a bit carried away! However I have put back the logo added recently which you took down today. The Council have it on all the signs down there, so I thought adding it might help people find their way. Emailed them before the merger and they sent it though and said they were happy enough for it to be used on this page. Even sent me the file. Did I not fill out the copyright details correctly? Hope that's ok.

Cheers, EastAntrimMan

Thanks for your help on this. I have attempted to set out fair use as suggested. If you still don't feel this is correct/sufficient justification, please go ahead and swap again. EastAntrimMan


Any interest in becoming an admin? From my quick assessment I'd say you have a good chance at succeeding. -- œ 03:39, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

The Tanster image edits[edit]

Hi Escape Orbit. I appreciate your editing of The Tanster page! It's my first original Wikipedia page. I would like to include the image I uploaded to the info box. I understand there are concerns regarding proper copyright. The image is a self-portrait of The Tanster. The stencil is made from a photograph of her. She made the art and she gave me permission to use the picture as her info box image. Is there some way I can do this that will satisfy the rules? Thanks for all your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesbernet (talkcontribs) 20:37, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Escape Orbit. I really appreciate your help and patience as I figure out how to get Tanster's self-portrait on The Tanster page! I've had her e-mail the permission to the address on the info page you gave me the link for. That page also suggested I provide a copy to the person who has been helping me. I've copy and pasted the permission below. Thanks again!

I hereby affirm that I, Tana Lee Alves, am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of
I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License 
I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.
I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.
I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.
I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
Tana Lee Alves
Copyright holder

April 28, 2015  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesbernet (talkcontribs) 02:06, 29 April 2015 (UTC) 

Civility Barnstar[edit]

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You are hereby awarded the Civility Barnstar for your forbearance and civility in the discussions on the Graffiti talk page. Thnidu (talk) 02:59, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Common image question[edit]

Hi Escape Orbit. I've been working on The Tanster page. I had uploaded her self-portrait to use in the info box. I had her e-mail the copyright permission form and letter which I CC'd you on. I haven't heard back yet. I totally understand that Wikipedia involves a huge amount of work and that this might take time. I'm just wondering if things are on track or not? If takes months or more to get approval, I understand. If I didn't do something right though, I'd like to correct it. One possibility is that I spoke to her directly about authorizing it, which she agreed to. The copyright permission page suggested including an e-mail chain to establish what my request of her was. Should I do that and resubmit or just wait? Sorry for bothering you but I really appreciate all your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesbernet (talkcontribs) 01:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Warning concerning discretionary sanctions regarding naming transgender persons[edit]

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Skyerise (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@Skyerise: Actually fwiw, this is being discussed right now at MOS:IDENTITY clarification. It is not a done deal to have to rewrite history. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Philosopher's Stone Change[edit]

The change you reverted was actually correct. I had picked up a new copy of the American version of the book and they had changed mom back to mum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

While looking at Steffi'so today, there is one correction, Serena has also won a slam on the same four surfaces. 2002-2003, clay, grass, deco turf, and rebound ace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Link Removal from[edit]


We understand that fan sites are normally removed per but thought our website would be a relevant external link. We are not a random Tumblr, Blogger fansite and are self hosted. We have interviewed Lauren seen here and would consider this well beyond a typical fan site that provides relevant information to those looking for information on Lauren Mayberry. We are the only self hosted website dedicated to Lauren and would hope to be included as a prominent resource. If this is still is not enough what suggestions can you make to reverse this removal?

Thank you for your time.

Musicfan2015 (talk) 17:19, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Escape Orbit, I see you edit Joey Ramone's page, could you please add in the fact that he was born with Sacrococcygeal Teratoma? The above link is confirmation of this info and the info is public knowledge. Thanks :-) Archiesgone (talk) 13:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Joey Ramone[edit]

Hi Escape Orbit, I see you edit Joey Ramone's page, could you please add in the fact that he was born with Sacrococcygeal Teratoma? The above link is confirmation of this info and the info is public knowledge. Thanks :-) Archiesgone (talk) 13:38, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid a blog on blogspot wouldn't be considered a reliable source. Do you have a better source? --Escape Orbit (Talk) 15:06, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi yes it is spoken about on page 2 of the autobiography titled I slept with Joey Ramone and which was written by his brother Mickey Leigh. I have a message I received from Mickey, I could email you a screenshot of the message. Can I send you my email address in a PM? I apologise I am still getting to grips with Wikipedia and the way it works :-), thanks, Archiesgone (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Whoops I meant biography, not autobiography Archiesgone (talk) 06:58, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Well again; you are not a reliable source, so an email to you isn't acceptable. The reader cannot confirm that Mickey Leigh emailed you and only has your (anonymous person on the internet) word for its authenticity. But you could cite the book directly, preferably with a quote. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 10:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)