Talk:Bosnian language

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Please do not edit archived pages. If you want to react to a statement made in an archived discussion, please make a new header on THIS page. Vseferović 04:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Archives: Archive 1 - 2004 - end of 2006

Edit war

Erm, what's the big deal with this edit war? Most of the changes are cosmetic/stylish, except the inclusion of Ban Kulin charter, which should go in. I removed some argumentative text ("it ain't as old as some other documents but it's very old"), and rephrased it somewhat (it's not certain whether it's the oldest official text, at least without a source, so it's better to err on the side of caution). I find the "spoken by" expression simpler and less pompous than "native to" so I took that back as well. OK? Duja► 14:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Constantine the Philosopher

The article talks about something written by a certain "Constantine the Philosopher" in the summer of 1300. There were only two such people: one is Saint Cyril himself from the 9th century and the other is a Serbian writer from the end of the 14th and the first half of the 15th century.

There is no other Constantine the Philosoper. --PaxEquilibrium 02:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I would say that it refers to Saint Cyril, since he was a lingust. Vseferović 23:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Cyril was born in 827 and died in 869. --PaxEquilibrium 23:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It is surely not the Serbian one. So it must be saint cyril, I belive however that there is yet another Constantin, but I might be wrong and that "saint cyril" in fact is just another name for the very same linguist. I will change to the new date for now and look closer into the matter within the nearest days. However, as I saw it more text than just this one was changed, stating that "Bosnian language" is a language of Bosnians - which of course is correct, but not when "bosnians" refer to all inhabitants of Bosnia. This is unconstitutional since Bosnian law and dayton recognizes exclusively the Bosnian language as the language of Bosniaks. Ancient Land of Bosoni

How are you so sure it's not the Slavic one (the dates correspond to 1300 more than Saint Cyril)?

If there truly was yet another Constantine that was entitled "the Philosopher", I don't think that he's famous at all (not even one bit).

Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant with your last (two) sentence(s). --PaxEquilibrium 20:19, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I've looked the http://www.zemljabosna.org and it says that a certain Byzantine writer Constantine the philosopher wrote "Skazanie iziavljeno o pismenah" at the end of the 14th century, so it actually perfectly fits the Slavic one... however I also found that the page from which I took is slightly controversial (who is this Constantine the Philosopher?). --PaxEquilibrium 20:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Pax check your talkpage, I left a message. =) Ancient Land of Bosoni

Yeah, saw it; thanks. --PaxEquilibrium 15:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I created the article on the said Konstantin Filozof recently, unrelated with this discussion. Somehow I have the feeling that his alleged reference to the "Bosnian" as such has spread like an urban myth. I'd really like to see the excerpt from Skazanije -- it should is likely relatively easy to find (perhaps not on the internet, but the text seems relatively famous). That Constantine [of Kostenets] is nicknamed "Filozof" after st. Cyril for his erudition, and as such known in Ex-Yu republics (Bulgarians more often refer to him as "Konstantin Kostenechky") Duja► 13:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Arebica / alhamijado

Can somebody please add some more detailed information in arebica script? I don't live in BiH, but I imagine that there is a lot of good information on Arebica in libraries in that country. Can some Wikipedian from that country please add detailed information on Arebica?

Official recognition in the Dayton Accord and Constitution?

One paragraph in the "Controversy" section makes two factual claims that are demonstrably false:

"It is important to observe that the Dayton Peace Accord officially recognizes and specifies the Bosnian language as a distinct language spoken in Bosnia and Herzegovina by Bosniaks."

I have read that accord, and so can you: http://www.ohr.int/dpa/default.asp?content_id=380

It does not say anything about any status of any language at all.

(It did, historically, make a strong implied statement by being originally delivered in four languages. That is not the same thing at all.)

"As such the Bosnian language is officially recognized by constitution of Bosnia and Herzegovina as well."

I have read that constitution, and so can you: http://www.ccbh.ba/eng/p_stream.php?kat=518

It does not say anything about any status of any language at all.

81.17.231.158 15:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

SERBOCROATIAN IS ONE LANGUAGE!

http://arhiv.slobodnadalmacija.hr/20060207/kultura01.asp

the above is the link to the article published in 'Liberated Dalmatia', a newspaper from Split, Dalmatia in 2006;

RAZGOVOR Prof. dr. IVO PRANJKOVIĆ, UGLEDNI JEZIKOSLOVAC, SUAUTOR NEDAVNO OBJAVLJENE GRAMATIKE HRVATSKOGA JEZIKA Hrvatski i srpski su jedan jezik VARIJETETI ISTOGA Na standardološkoj razini, hrvatski, srpski, bosanski, pa i crnogorski jezik različiti su varijeteti, ali istoga jezika. Dakle, na čisto lingvističkoj razini, odnosno na genetskoj razini, na tipološkoj razini, radi se o jednom jeziku i to treba jasno reći

Here’s the translation of the main title and the introduction article of this interview:

INTERVIEW: PROF.DR. IVO PRANJKOVIC, THE FAMOUS LINGUIST AND CO-AUTHOR OF THE RECENT PUBLISHED, GRAMMAR OF CROATIAN LANGUAGE’.

CROATIAN AND SERBIAN ARE ONE LANGUAGE! VARIETIES OF IT: On a standard level, Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and now Montenegrin language are just varieties, but from a same language. Therefore, pure linguistically and typologically they are all ONE LANGUAGE and it should be said very clearly!

The rest of the text just confirms what’s in the title and the main article. In spite of all sick nationalists and evil propagators:-SERBOCROATIAN IS ONE LANGUAGE AND WILL STAY ONE FOREVER!CHEERS! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.127.107 (talk) 04:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

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