Talk:Webley Revolver

Webley Machine gun? never heard of it. A Google search gives no result and this description is vauge enough to suggest the author might have been guessing what a Webley was.

Having read many books on WW1, and being in a WW1 re-enactemnt group, "Webley" universally refers to the Webley revolver. Introduced in 1915 the MKV1 Webley in .455 calibre was the standard sidearm for British and Commonwealth troops for the remainder of the war. Issued to Officers, Airmen, trench raiders, Machinegun and Tank crews, it proved a very reliable weapon. The Webley went on to British service in WW2, although was rechambered for the .38 calibre round.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg91-e.htm http://hem.bredband.net/b102212/wbymkVI.html

erroneous statement

The line "Firing the .455 Webley cartridge, the Webley service revolvers are the most powerful of the top-break revolvers ever produced." is simply incorrect. Barnes' "Cartridges of the World" lists the Smith and Wesson 44 Russian, also a top-break revolver, as being considerably more powerful.

12.96.65.14 20:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Which Edition? I don't have a copy of "Cartridges of The World" handy, but it's my understanding that .455 Webley is slightly more powerful than .45 Long Colt, which is itself more powerful than .44 Russian. Bear in mind these cartridges were all originally black powder loads, not smokeless powder.--Commander Zulu 23:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

The 1977 Edition lists .44 Russian as more powerful. I agree however that variations between smokeless and black powder loads exist, which can lead to conflicting ideas as to which is the more powerful. Rather than make a blanket statement that the Webly is "the most powerful...", we'd be better to state that it is "one of the most powerful". That way, it cannot be disputed.

move/name change

Since the guns in military service were always called Revolver No etc, I've change the name to title case. GraemeLeggett 15:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Webley Revolvers used in WWII were NOT rechambered- they were new production from Webley & Scott. Remember, the Enfield No 2 MK I revolver was just a knock-off of the .38/200 Webley Mk IV. Some places- notably New Zealand and Australia- still used the .455 Webley throughout the war, as well as the Enfield and whatever else they could get. Commander Zulu 03:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

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"Some call the creation of Webleys by Enfield, the Webley War." Really? Who? I've never heard this term used by anyone before. RSAF Enfield manufactured Webley Mk VI revolvers from 1923-1926 under licence from Webley & Scott, before the Enfield No 2 Mk I was even a sketch on an engineer's doodle-pad.Commander Zulu 10:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Type (infobox)

Shouldn't the type rather be "revolver"... or maybe wikilink "service" to service pistol and "revolver" to revolver, like so: Service Revolver? Personally I would prefer revolver or semi-automatic pistol over service pistol (and similarly assault rifle or battle rifle instead of service rifle)? --Deon Steyn 09:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Duly noted and implemented ;-) --Commander Zulu 09:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Two infoboxes

I don't think both infoboxes are needed. Almost all other weapons use the most prominant version in the infobox and list others in the "variants" field.

Since the different versions already have their own sections, may I suggest instead that the statistics for the weapons be listed within them in a brief format where the numbers have changed from the previous model? Oberiko 15:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer to keep the two infoboxes, since the .455 Webley revolvers and the .38/200 Webleys really are entirely different kettles of fish- they just look similar. ;-) --Commander Zulu 15:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Issues at large

I'm not content with this article. I think the major breaches of encyclopedic and fair policy have been reverted, e.g. comments about "natives" and imperialist epithets, but a great deal doesn't sit right with me. I appreciate that I am certainly no military expert—on that note, I would equally appreciate it if someone could find a good source for the comment that the firearm (or its variants) are used or sanctioned by the police forces of any country. I could only find one site that made a claim sufficiently to this effect, and while it has a bibliography, I've no means of knowing whether the claim stems from those sources or not. Thanks. Alyoshenka 10:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The Ordnance Factory Board of India still make .308" Mk IIz Revolver Cartridge ammo, with the 178gr FMJ projectile- which is only suitable for military use. They wouldn't make it if someone wasn't still using the old Webley, Enfield, or British S&W Victory revolvers in an official capacity, and there's obviously enough someones out there to make it worth their while to produce the cartridge. I've also seen news footage and photos of police officers or reservce/auxiliary units in India, Pakistan, and Africa carrying what appear to be Enfield No 2 Mk I or Webley Mk IV revolvers, so they're still out there and in use. --Commander Zulu 07:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)