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I think the terminology here is confused, though for the moment I have only marked the article with "citation needed". The German word ''Arbeitskommando'' refers to the organizational unit of workers assigned to a task. It does not naturally refer to a camp or a place. I'm aware that Nazi usage can differ from standard German, but unless someone can provide a source, I am doubtful here, as I know their usual word for a subcamp of either a PoW camp or a concentrationcamp was "Aussenlager". So I think the terms have been confused here. My understanding is that a main camp (Stammlager) could have a subcamp (Aussenlager), from either of which men were sent on fatigue details (Arbeitskommandos) into a farm or factory. This seems to be confirmed by the article "KZ-Außenlager" in the German Wikipedia, though it is talking about fatigue details from concentration camps. --[[User:Doric Loon|Doric Loon]] ([[User talk:Doric Loon|talk]]) 11:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
I think the terminology here is confused, though for the moment I have only marked the article with "citation needed". The German word ''Arbeitskommando'' refers to the organizational unit of workers assigned to a task. It does not naturally refer to a camp or a place. I'm aware that Nazi usage can differ from standard German, but unless someone can provide a source, I am doubtful here, as I know their usual word for a subcamp of either a PoW camp or a concentrationcamp was "Aussenlager". So I think the terms have been confused here. My understanding is that a main camp (Stammlager) could have a subcamp (Aussenlager), from either of which men were sent on fatigue details (Arbeitskommandos) into a farm or factory. This seems to be confirmed by the article "KZ-Außenlager" in the German Wikipedia, though it is talking about fatigue details from concentration camps. --[[User:Doric Loon|Doric Loon]] ([[User talk:Doric Loon|talk]]) 11:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
:Confusion may result from the fact that occasionally men assigned to a task were quartered separately, most notoriously the Arbeitskommando responsible for the incineration ovens at the extermination camps, who were kept away from the other prisoners so they couldn't talk about what they were doing. It is possible that if a large number of workers were assigned to the same factory and quartered in accommodation close to the factory, the terms Arbeitskommando and Aussenlager might partially overlap. But I think that was not the norm. Again, a historian who knows German properly is required to sort this out. I myself am fluent in German and can help on that level, but only have lay knowledge of the NS period. --[[User:Doric Loon|Doric Loon]] ([[User talk:Doric Loon|talk]]) 18:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
:Confusion may result from the fact that occasionally men assigned to a task were quartered separately, most notoriously the Arbeitskommando responsible for the incineration ovens at the extermination camps, who were kept away from the other prisoners so they couldn't talk about what they were doing. It is possible that if a large number of workers were assigned to the same factory and quartered in accommodation close to the factory, the terms Arbeitskommando and Aussenlager might partially overlap. But I think that was not the norm. Again, a historian who knows German properly is required to sort this out. I myself am fluent in German and can help on that level, but only have lay knowledge of the NS period. --[[User:Doric Loon|Doric Loon]] ([[User talk:Doric Loon|talk]]) 18:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

== Redirect Article ==

This article should simply redirect to [[Forced labor in Nazi concentration camps]]. I made this fix and it was reverted. [[User:Shankarsivarajan|Shankar Sivarajan]] ([[User talk:Shankarsivarajan|talk]]) 02:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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Clean-up

I have done some clean up, and added references.

I believe the tag should be removed.

Syrenab 18:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Arbeitskommandos - citation needed, or else rewrite urgently required

I think the terminology here is confused, though for the moment I have only marked the article with "citation needed". The German word Arbeitskommando refers to the organizational unit of workers assigned to a task. It does not naturally refer to a camp or a place. I'm aware that Nazi usage can differ from standard German, but unless someone can provide a source, I am doubtful here, as I know their usual word for a subcamp of either a PoW camp or a concentrationcamp was "Aussenlager". So I think the terms have been confused here. My understanding is that a main camp (Stammlager) could have a subcamp (Aussenlager), from either of which men were sent on fatigue details (Arbeitskommandos) into a farm or factory. This seems to be confirmed by the article "KZ-Außenlager" in the German Wikipedia, though it is talking about fatigue details from concentration camps. --Doric Loon (talk) 11:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion may result from the fact that occasionally men assigned to a task were quartered separately, most notoriously the Arbeitskommando responsible for the incineration ovens at the extermination camps, who were kept away from the other prisoners so they couldn't talk about what they were doing. It is possible that if a large number of workers were assigned to the same factory and quartered in accommodation close to the factory, the terms Arbeitskommando and Aussenlager might partially overlap. But I think that was not the norm. Again, a historian who knows German properly is required to sort this out. I myself am fluent in German and can help on that level, but only have lay knowledge of the NS period. --Doric Loon (talk) 18:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Article

This article should simply redirect to Forced labor in Nazi concentration camps. I made this fix and it was reverted. Shankar Sivarajan (talk) 02:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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