Talk:Wiccan (character)

Reference?

I noticed that Wiccan and Hulkling's real names can be abbreviated further to 'Bill and Ted.' Think it could be deliberate? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_and_ted In the uncensored movie there's a point where Bill and Ted hug each other in relief after realizing neither of them are dead, but then back away quickly and call each other gay. It'd be a real sneaky way of poking fun at those characters, if the reference was intended.

Clear Up

I've done some clearing up on this page. One entire paragraph was copied twice here word-for-word, just a few lines further down the page! A lot of the information (such as letters pages in the comic books) are better suited to the article for the actual comic, rather than in a character biography, but if you have anything to say, I'm open to discussion - Just trying to help. = Avengers fan 18:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Only proper nouns get capitalised in English...

I only put capitals there because I was assuming that is what we are calling his powers. If we're calling his powers that, it makes them names, and the capitals after each comma just made it look neater...

I Don't Get It

Ok, I don't get the "obvious puns" on the names Asgardian & Hulkling. I haven't read the comics, and I don't know what Asgardian looks like. Please fill me in. Thanks!

The pun isn't about their codenames together, it's about their relationship. Asgardian = Ass Guardian. --60.226.54.29 20:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, As-Gay-dian.

Mother and Sons Reunion

It seems clear to me that the Super Skrull is right and that Tommy and Billy are the children of Wanda and the Vision. I fervently hope that Scarlet Witch gets to meet her children and be healed of the cruel affliction to her soul. The horrible story of Wanda and her children has haunted and tormented me for decades. It is so wonderful that there may at last be a happy ending to this unhappy story. Das Baz, 28 April 2006, 3:41 PM. Allan Heinberg, in the letters page of YA 10, promises that in issue 11 Tommy and Billy will learn "the truth" about their origin. So what Kl'rt reveals in issue 11 is without doubt the truth. Das Baz, 13 May 2006, 12:16 Noon.

Weren't her twins originally just pseudo-illusions/constructs she made with her "Probability Control" powers (how else could a human and an android/ Synthezoid have kids?), and were later revealed to be shards of Mephisto's shattered/scattered soul? I.e., they were never really real in the first place? Dr Archeville 17:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

That was a retcon from Byrne. This is another retcon, unretconning Byrne's retcon. :p --DrBat 13:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Uggg. I'd forgotten we have Byrne to "thank" for that retcon. CovenantD 14:24, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, even if Billy and Tommy were once unreal illusions, now they are real enough in their universe. Now they have the powers of Wanda and of her brother - powers apparently transmitted through the spirit rather than through DNA. Imagination may become reality. It happens all the time. Das Baz 16:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC) Tommy and Billy, as Magneto's grandchildren on their mother's side, were Jewish in their former incarnation. And now they are Jewish again. Cosmic karma. Das Baz 16:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

If the official Marvel website says Wanda is the mother of Billy and Tommy, that should settle that discussion. But perhaps "spiritually" would be a more apt word than "biologically." Das Baz 20:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Mutant?

Has Wiccan been stated to be a mutant in any comic book? If not, then several of the categories listed are speculation and need to be removed. CovenantD 20:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

He thinks he is (but so did Hulkling before he discovered his true parentage).

If he's the son of the Scarlet Witch, which is what is being implied right now, he probably is. --DrBat 19:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The Princes of the House of Magnus

A new complication is introuced by the strange interlude of the House of M. Wanda is seen enjoying quality time with her toddler twin sons. Are these Billy and Tommy rejuvenated? Or are they a new pair of twins created by her? If the latter, Does this mean each twin has a twin of sorts? Will they ever meet each other? Erudil 16:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Or maybe Billy and Tommy are the Princes of the House of M, and they exist as they do nowadays precisely because of those events. Erudil 17:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it.

The twins probably stopped existing after HoM, and I doubt they were connected to Billy and Tommy because if Wanda knew about their existence she wouldn't have gone crazy trying to recreate them. --DrBat 00:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Wanda does not understand the nature of what she does. She probably believed the twins were real and had always been the way they were since they were born, not realizing that she had probably plucked them out of Limbo. Or maybe she rejuvenated them without realizing she was doing so - and after the House of M, they reverted to their real ages. She may be near-omnipotent, but she certainly is not omniscient. Erudil 18:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Civil War POV

I didn't tag this section, but I have nonetheless tried to weed out the offending adjectives. Also, I cut out parts of the Civil War storyline that I feel don't have much to do with Wiccan personally. This section read a bit too much like a plot synopsis of the whole story. Also, I removed speculation about future events and big showdowns and such. Hopefully, this helped improve this section. Cheers. --GentlemanGhost 21:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Last Avengers Story

Young Avengers #1 was not the first time Billy (and Tommy) Maximoff played a key part in a Marvel story - they both were pretty major characters in the alternative universe story "The Last Avengers Story" which came out back in 1995. I don't know if this is, in fact, his first appearance, but until further information is gathered, perhaps it is worth citing.