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Please see this diff. Matthew 14:14, March 23, 2007 (UTC)

famguardian link on America: From Freedom to Fascism

I apologize if my actions were spamming. I am relatively new to the community and am ignorant of many of the procedures. I will do my best to behave according to Wikipedia guidelines.

However I believe that I have a case to be made.

Can you please explain to me precisely how http://famguardian.org/PublishedAuthors/Govt/IRS/friv_tax_rebuts.pdf does not comply with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:EL. The pdf article lists reliable references within the article. It is no less reliable than the IRS article. The famguardian rebuttal is in fact a treatise on how the IRS article is NOT a valid reliable source. Therefore, more proof than a .gov domain is requested.

Furthermore, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RS itself violates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability. You cannot verify that something is "generally reliable."

Nevertheless, on the page itself it states "This page is considered a guideline on Wikipedia. It is generally accepted among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception."

Therefore, your position is referring to a guideline, not a rule. So I submit that since the IRS article is allowed, a link to the rebuttal of said IRS article should also be allowed. If the rebuttal should not be allowed, then let's remove the IRS link.

Are you going to reply to me Arthur?

You have no case. The IRS site would be relevant as the "official response" to the claims made in the film, even if it were not considered generally reliable. (Note the conditional tense. It is considered generally reliable.) famguardian has no official status nor reputable claim of accuracy. It might be includable as a link or a reference if the film referred to it, but not only because it comments on the film or the claims in the film.

On William Rodriguez's Conversion

If an audio clip of William stating his conversion is made available on the blog, would that make it a more reliable source? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abureem (talk • contribs) 19:20, June 28, 2007 (UTC)

Probably not. It would need authentication that it is him. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 21:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Praise for the book

Please revert the excessive praise for The Eighth Day of Creation. Also, most of the added material needs to be sourced. Rather than placing a dozen or so tags, I'd appreciate it if the article were edited down to sourced material. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Arthur, can you discuss this please?

"In the foreword to this expanded edition of his 1979 masterpiece, Horace Freeland Judson says, "I feared I might seem the official historian of the movement"--molecular biology, that is. If by official he means "authoritative; definitive; the standard against which all others are measured" then his fears are warranted. Detailed without being overly technical, humane without being fulsome, The Eighth Day of Creation tells of molecular biology's search for the secret of life. "The drama has everything--exploration of the unknown; low comedy and urgent seriousness; savage competition, vaulting intelligence, abrupt changes of fortune, sudden understandings; eccentric and brilliant people, men of honor and of less than honor; a heroine, perhaps wronged; and a treasure to be achieved that was unique and transcendent." And in Judson this drama found its Shakespeare."

Martin 84.64.196.240 17:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Invite

Greetings. Since the original logical operator proposal, the WikiProject Logic has grown quite a bit. I'm going to move it as a subproject of the WikiProject Logic. I'll add you to the roster over there. Be, well. Gregbard 00:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Disgrace for mathematicians?

Dear Arthur, please see what your friend Alan does here, also in PlanetMath and various forums like ft-sucks.com under the nickname "Mr.Rusty". I guess you might wish to support him here, where I have again requested his ban from Wikipedia. I think this guy is a disgrace for mathematicians, but in case you want to support him, feel free to do so. I am not surprized by his racist posts, I am afraid what his students can learn from him. Danko Georgiev MD 10:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Fleshlight

What's up with you changing the Fleshlight page every hour? If people wanna contribute, let them contribute.

If you can't stand that, get the fuck out! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.240.229.206 (talk • contribs) 15:16, July 26, 2007 (UTC)

I've only reverted 3 edits in Fleshlight, two of which were clearly linkspam, and the other probably linkspam, in the past month. I don't know why you think it's "every hour". — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Busy lately?

I don't suppose you could cut me some slack there Art? Gregbard 22:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I just don't see those two specific formal languages as notable. Perhaps they deserve mention in formal language or formal proof. Or perhaps you could userfy them, rather than leave them as up for deletion? — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 23:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)\

First of all, the notability criterion is destroying the intellectual integrity of the wikipedia. Second, PQ at least is notable for its inclusion in the popular Gödel Escher Bach. The need for FS (logic) was demonstrated at Talk:Theorem. I would like to A) use this and other articles as a means to straighten out many redlinked concepts (see there are a few in there), B) work from the bottom up to some degree. FS is a good start from that perspective.

Lastly, if FS and PQ are not notable, please just get familiar with them. Gregbard 23:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The need for the models was (loosely) indicated (but not demonstrated) at Talk:Theorem, but I think the "models" belong in the formal theory article, rather than anywhere near theorem. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thinking it over, your argument that that the misnamed FS and PQ are relevant to theorem was rejected. Perhaps they should be merged into formal language? — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I never brought up PQ in the discussion about theorem. If you do not understand that the existence of the FS language (heretofore unknown to the authors of theorem), made a relevant point about the fundamental nature of what a theorem is; and, that the point was incorporated into the article, then I don't know what else to tell you.

I'm all for integration, but I wonder about just what your idea is that you are integrating. I.e., I don't think you guys "get" what FS means if you are still hemming and hawing about it being relevant to logic, etcetera. Gregbard 02:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

They are clearly not relevant to logic except in regard syntax and semantics of formal grammars. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, I'm willing to be convinced, but I cannot see it. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 03:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

FS is an uninterpreted language and a goal of logic is to deal with the syntax of statements/formulae/etc without regard for the interpretations. Therefore it is relevant. It clearly is relevant in my view. I don't think they cluttered up either an elementary logic book, or a class in Symbolic Logic with a lot of non-notable and irrelevant material as they have done in my case. Furthermore, my use of FS in the theorem discussion (which prompted changes to the article) does in fact show that it is useful, and relevant. Be well, Gregbard 04:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Your statement about "a goal of logic" could only refer to philosophical logic as opposed to mathematical logic. I don't know much about philosophical logic, but I can assure you that nothing in the article relates to mathematical logicl. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 06:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Well the world of logic doesn't end with mathematical logic. Gregbard 06:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

A little harsh

I'd say Parker is notable. He is the author of one of the best selling books on logic in the country.

Gregbard 07:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. It's not on amazon.com. It's not in the Library of Congress catalog. Where is it? — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 07:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

try this Gregbard 07:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC) oh never mind.

Exactly. It's not logic, it's rhetoric. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 07:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to just go ahead and inform you that you are incorrect and leave it at that. Be well. Gregbard 07:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

From m-w.com, definition 1b: the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion. Seems to fit. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 07:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Ordinarily, my just telling you that you are incorrect would suffice. So what's up? I'm getting an asshole vibe at this point. Richard B. Parker, along with Brooke N. Moore is the author of one of (if not 'the') best selling logic book in the country. He published a response to Bradley's Paradox. He teaches Logic in the Philosophy department of CSUC and has for many years. Gregbard 12:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps. Two of the eight reviews (of one of the editions) at amazon.com state that it isn't a logic book. It does appear to be a best-seller, though. (And "Bradley's Paradox", if it were interesting, might have an article on Wikipedia. I can't find a reference which stays what it might actually be, but it appears to be a paradox of meta-logic which can best be eliminated by denying the existence of discrete, countable, concepts. It also appears to have been resolved by Frege around 1915.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

If you think Bradley's paradox is important, you could probably write an article on it, using Parket's books and/or papers (if published) as a reference. (Let me know, and I'll look at it. I doubt I could assert it as unimportant unless I've guessed correctly what it is.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Attempt at consensus-building

In an attempt to keep the discussion on the Photo editing talk page in the direction of reaching an agreeable resolution, I have tried to find a slightly different approach. I would really appreciate your constructive criticism on the post that I just made, please see Talk:Photo_editing#Trying_to_establish_some_common_ground. Thanks. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 16:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

3RR

I just added a fourth reversion by User:Frikkers on Boerboel. VanTucky ^(talk) 23:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

DreamGuy's talkpage

Hi, Arthur. Since you've told DreamGuy that people can't be banned from his page "by him alone",[1] I'm doing it; I'm writing to IPSOS to tell him he doesn't get to post on DG's page anymore, and strongly suggesting to Dicklyon also that he should desist. No matter how riled-up you are against DreamGuy, I'm sure you don't mean to condone outright trolling and provocation on his page. And what, if not trolling, is it to post those crap templates on a long-time contributor... ? [2] [3] [4]. With "Welcome to Wikipedia" and "Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia"... ? That's never a good faith warning. It's more like poking with a stick at an irascible editor in the hope of getting him to say something blockable. Bishonen | talk 00:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC).

And, actually, it's been long established that people can tell people to stop posting to their talk pages if they are doing nothing that has any possible value to the encyclopedia and those who violate it are causing harassment. I would consider Arthur Rubin's edits as well to fall well within that standard, as his very first communication with me was an over the top aggressive threat to block for the simple matter of not doing what he wanted to do on an article he was edit warring and eventually lost on. All of his communications since then, other than a half-hearted apology for some tiny fraction of his behavior has been nothing but more of the same. As he has made it clear that nothing he has to tell me on my talk page (including the bogus claim that I can't ban people from it) is any real attempt to improve the encyclopedia and is solely to continue his personal conflict, he is blocked from my page as well. Admins don't get any special exemptions from the rules against harassment, and in fact they out of anyone should not be doing it in the first place, so Arthur here doesn't get off free either. DreamGuy 05:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The only one who has committed abuse is DreamGuy, but he's already been told, so there's no point in telling him again. And I've never been blocked.... — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 07:11, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

For the record, DreamGuy removed one of his posts, and it was restored by 66.82.9.79, who seems to be following him around, harassing him and trolling, so I removed it again. Cheers. ElinorD (talk) 09:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Well. I did try to write you a reasonable message in a reasonable tone, Arthur. I'm sorry if I didn't succeed. I was hoping you'd see your way to responding to me more... specifically, somehow. You really don't think it abusive to repeatedly slap those dumb-ass newbie templates on DG's page? Bishonen | talk 10:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC).