Talk:Stavanger

Challenge to Egil for having removed stuff from the article

Hi Egil, on the 11 of february I added a little thing to the history of Stavanger, on the nato joint warfare center and statoils headquarters and Forus og Gausel idrettslag. You removed the whole thing saying that it was not relevant. I DO understand that you think that the information on forus og gausel idrettslag isn't relevant, and I totally accept that you erased it. I also am new to the whole wikipediaconsept so i understand that the information on statoil and the joint warfare center at forus maybee weren't written according to wikipedia standards. Now that i have stated this, I wish to question your opinion that information on norway biggest oil company and the Nato joint warfare center and what impact it has had on the forus and stavanger area are not relevant when it comes to a general article on Stavanger. I would like to have your opinion on this. I have investigated your relentless work on wikipedia, and you have written many interesting article and stayed true to the wikipedia spirit. Thats why I want to throw you a challenge. I challenge you to incorporate information on the Nato joint warfare center and Statoil in the Stavanger article, according to your principles OR explain to me touroughly why it is irrelevant in this context. This might be a frivoulous claim but it might seem that your reluctance to include information on the forementioned points might be fueled by a ideological agenda, taking a far left stand on capitalism on the Statoil issue, while beeing opposed to norwegian Nato membership og Nato joint warfare center-issue by not wanting to let information on these being published, should this. To take this slandering question further, this might lead me to think that you are among the ranks of the Akp (ml) movement. This would maybee explain you blatant revisionism on this particular issue

Reading several of your articles, I has come to my attention that your style of writing reminds me om a Stavanger Aftenblad journalist called Svein EGIL Omdal. Is that name identical with yours? If it isn't I would like to say that it is meant as a compliment as he is one of the most trenchant journalists in norway, and maybee the world.

Yours respectfully Henrik — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.158.65 (talk) 17:17, February 13, 2005 (UTC)

Happy now? PS: You wrote all of the above to complain about one sentence being lost. Why not spend the energy on Stavanger, instead? :-) -- Egil 17:36, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Egil, for adding that information, I think your editing skills are impresive and that you did a good job with incorporating it. I do now realise that is uncalled for to accuse you of beeing part of the AKP (ml) cult. For that I apologise to you. I do wish to spend time on the Stavanger page, but I sense that anything that I would like to add (relevant or not) would be edited away by you, as it is obvious that you have taken a vigilante approach to this page,(wich I respect since you are an impresive contributor). Therefore I want to humbly ask for your opinion on layout and form before I edit this page. Let us not loose sight of our common goal- spreading Italic textRELEVANTItalic text information on the city of Stavanger.

I am very interested in The AKP (ml) movement by the way, to you think it would be relevant as a stub to norwegian political groups site?

Yours respectfully Henrik — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.158.65 (talk) 17:57, February 13, 2005 (UTC)

Location of NATO Forus or Gausel?

Does anyone really consider NATO to be in Forus? Gausel maybe, but not Forus. 85.19.194.218 08:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Rank as third largest metropolitan area

I edited the introduction-part of the article from "the fourth largest metropolitan area, to "the third largest metropolitan area", since the metropolitan stavanger region includes Stavanger, as well as several other municipalities, as shown on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stavanger_Region — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godonnet (talk • contribs) 01:10, July 15, 2007 (UTC)

The meaning of Stavanger (city/metropolitan area/region)

Does anyone think it makes sense to juggle *3* different areas when talking of population ? Currently we have:

• Stavanger, the city (but strictly, Stavanger city and Stavanger kommune ain't the same, though the article makes no distinction.)
• Stavanger the "metropolitan area", including Sandnes and suchlike.
• Stavanger the "entire region" whatever *THAT* is supposed to mean.

If I don't get any protests, I'm going to remove the "entire region" distinction, it's unclear what it's supposed to mean and I don't think it adds anything other than confusion. --Eivind Kjørstad 12:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Eivind:

The stavanger region is not a solid base, but Stavanger, including the surronding municipalities. This is often seen as Stavanger, Sandnes, Sola, Randaberg, Finnøy, Kvitsøy, Klepp, Time, Strand, Forsand, Hå and Gjesdal, as described on http://www.greaterstavanger.com/rogaland/stavanger/srn.nsf

The metropolitan area, at least I believe, is the more compact living area, where several of the municipality-driven "companies" have merged into larger companies and there is no obvious border between the differend municipalities. I would classify Stavanger, Sandnes, Sola, Randaberg, and possibly Rennesøy as the metropolitan area.

However this is a difficult question, because the municipalities have grown together in several ways, like with Lyse, wich has owners from all the south-rogaland municipalities, and I.V.A.R (the water and sewage company) has owners from more municipalities. There are also talks about zoning and other areas to be merged. 80.86.218.92 17:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Since there exists an article on the Stavanger Region, it might be an idea to expand on it. It is just a brief outline with some statistics presently. __meco 07:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I am aware of this, I just think it is very confusing. Looking at the rigth of the page we see "Stavanger Kommune", complete with weapon-shield and statistics for the kommune only. It is true that the metropolitan area today exceeds the kommune-borders, and I think it's fine to say something along the lines of "Stavanger is part of a larger metropolitan area which also included Sandnes and Sola, this larger region has XXX people.", but I think it's *really* confusing when we introduce a third region which we then label "the entire region" without qualifying what, exactly, this "entire" refers to, so we end up giving 3 different population-numbers. I am perfectly fine with stating 2, namely the population of stavanger kommune as one, and the population of the larger stavanger-metropolitan-area as a second. It's just the third that confuse me. --Eivind Kjørstad 10:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Weasel words

I don't like the peppering of this article with weasel words tags. I don't think the reader is corrupted if the author claims a building is a fine example of the type. Adding those tags breaks the flow of the article to little gain. To hide them you can add to your .css file

.noprint { display: none; }

Vicarage 22:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

References

I went searching for references for some of the "Fact" tags now peppered (rigthly so!) in this article. I found several, with no problems at all. However, the vast majority of the sources are in Norwegian only. Which ain't so strange. I was just wondering, is it a problem having norwegian sources for claims in the english wikipedia ? --Eivind Kjørstad 10:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your fantastisk work on this, takk! As for your question, this is the Wikipedia policy on foreign language sources. Michellecrisp 12:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

So, english prefered if available in equal quality. But adding Norwegian sources for previously unsourced statements is nevertheless a worthwhile activity. Got it. Thanks. --Eivind Kjørstad 12:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Borough

I believe the use of borough in this article is inaccurate. The Norwegian article uses bydel.
Dubidub 10:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, duh, would you expect the norwegian article to use an English word? Borough is the correct word in English and should be used, not "bydel". --Aqwis 17:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Aqwis. Bring up an alternative please. Simenhjort 18:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

"Metropolition area" population

The number we use in Bergen and Oslo and other articles about Norwegian cities, and that should be used in this article too, is the city area (conurbation) population, which you can find here. As you can see, the population of the Stavanger/Sandnes region is 181,300, not 275,814. The 275,814 number refers to ecomomic regions (read the Talk:Bergen#Bergen_metropolitan_area discussion about Bergen's metro area population), not the city area/conurbation population which is the number that is actually useful. If we were going to use the economic regions number in the other articles about the Norwegian cities, the Bergen region would've had a population of 356,000, and the Oslo region a population of 1,283,533. But we don't do that, because those numbers are artifically high. --Aqwis 17:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There is ongoing discussions wether Stavanger kommune should be merged with the other municipalities in the region, into one, large municipality. If that happens, it must be reconcidered if there should be one article for the city, and one for Stavanger Kommune, becouse the population will get an instant growth of about 100,000 people.