Talk:Pop art

ANDY WARHOL??

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Andy Warhol and BIG part of USA Pop Art? Why aren't any of his pieces pictured in this article? --71.253.146.15 16:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

• haha, yeah i felt the same way. whole bloody article and he's only mentioned in the spain section! the usa section needs expanding and must include mr. warhol ;) 24.60.66.216 18:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

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Nick Gabrichidze an unordinary man and bright personality. The creative work of Nick always are marked by his energy and inspiration, of his daring thought, original solution, feeling of refined tastes, his impeccable artistry. Elle20 14 : 17 pm, 28 June 2005 (UTC)

i just deleted that OT shit about balkan pop musicians

Weren't the pop artists really celebrating corporate mass culture?Jfitzg

As I see it it's more about making making a satire of it.

I always assumed the point was that you couldn't tell either way. That is, to bring up the question without providing a prepackaged answer. --Bảo 20:34, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Gabrichidze's self-promotion, sock puppets

User User:Gabrichidze has a long history of attempts to use Wikipedia for self-promotion, repeatedly inserting his art in articles such as Mermaid. He often uses a sockpuppet, Elle20, and his vanity article recently lost a vfd. I've been deleting some of his spam today, in articles like this one and Surrealism, but he's been reinserting it. I don't want to violate the 3RR, so I hope others will keep an eye on the situation.--Bcrowell 7 July 2005 20:01 (UTC)

I've also noticed this; I live in Amsterdam and he's hardly famous here. If you look on the 'Net you'll see heaps of his self-promotional antics. Bizarre. (from a reader who rarely uses this site.)

What are the main ideas of popart and who are the main atists that worked in this way from sophie

examples?

Anyone want to submit some examples of good pop art to show on the page?

Its tricky. Almost by definition, all Pop Art is still in copyright. The classic example would be a Roy Lichtenstein. We can easily claim {FairUse} on the artists own page, and it may be possible to use one here. The pop art era has mostly passed, so any current artists who might license more freely are probably derivative and most likely self promotional. The best approach would be to include some inline external links to representative examples. -- Solipsist 23:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

target broad audience?

While some pop art targets a broad audience, and even more claims to, most in reality is in fact as recondite and academic as the avante-garde periods that preceded it. For example, pop art influenced literature often utilizes disjunctive narrative technique to reflect montage in film and advertizing on the television. This likely makes for uncomfortable reading for "broad audiences" more used to conventional narrative styles. User:Havardj

Lichtenstein's House I: Op Art, not Pop Art?

It seems to me that although executed in a technique more typical of Pop Art, the image in the article shows an example of Op Art as defined in Op Art. Can someone who knows more than me please look into this, or make the distinction between the two intelligible (assuming that I am wrong)? - Samsara _contrib ^talk 23:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I second this, it definitely seems to be more op art than pop art. Tigger89 14:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's something revolutionary: it may be both! ;) Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 18:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Article structure

As there seems to be odd activity on this page right now I am going to hold of. To improve the structure my suggestion would be to have a section on Pop Art in England with Hamilton/Alloway etc and its roots in the Independent Group and then a section on Rauschenberg and John's interest coming out of Duchamp. The two sides tie up in 1961/2 when Hamilton and Alloway are both in the US.Piersmasterson 16:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Balkan Pop?

I think a misguided user has wrongly misinterpreted Pop Art with Pop music as in some Balkan countries the word "art" is primarily associated with music. Balkan Pop singers do not belong in this category because Pop Art is a visual form of art, then what's the point of it staying there? Linus 16:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Removed it... again. Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 22:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Removed it......again. Freshacconci

Deletion

I added some detail about Pop Art's development in Britain but someone deleted it a while back. So we have a large section on Spanish Pop Art but nothing on the origin. Why?Piersmasterson 15:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

There is a huge amount of vandalism about Andy Warhol. 68.161.64.63 03:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Duchamp-Johns-Warhol

I added a fact tag to the statement about the influence of Duchamp on Johns and Warhol because there's no definitive statement in the articles about either of them that Duchamp influenced them. And I suppose because I'm highly sceptical of the claim that he influenced Warhol in any important way. If evidence can be supplied, though, I'll be glad to have improved my understanding of the genre. John FitzGerald 14:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

In his biography of Duchamp, Tompkins tells that Johns, Duchamp, John Cage and Rauschenberg "...enjoyed each one another's company so much that they met frequently after that..." There's more, but I didn't look up all the references in the biography. (Tomkins, Calvin: Duchamp: A Biography, page 411. Henry Holt and Company, Inc., 1996. ISBN 0-8050-5789-7) --sparkit^TALK 00:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The unsent letter

Is there any evidence, by the way, of the authenticity of Richard Hamilton's unsent letter? Specifically, what evidence is there that it was actually written in 1956? Just asking. John FitzGerald 14:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

John McHale vs. Richard Hamilton

A user, Rory55, has made some oddball changes to formatting and is attempting to articulate a controversy about the origins of pop art. If there is any merit to this, there are ways to include this information without changing the format of the article. Freshacconci 13:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Any discussion about what belongs in the article should be addressed in this forum and not in the main article. The article should contain verifiable facts. The origins of pop art have a number of histories, many contradictory, but the main article isn't for posting grievances. If hsitory needs to be corrected, find the sources and include the new information, but with citations. Freshacconci 16:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, there's been a bit of a POV push in other articles involving McHale and attribution. Sources don't appear to be forthcoming. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Check Hunt-7 internet article for confirmation stating it is now recognised that John McHale designed the Just What collage. You are just ignoring the facts, since you do not have expertise in the subject. Ottex3/3/07

Because you are the only "expert" on the subject? Which link are you referring to? Freshacconci 13:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Your question proves my point, you are like some of the other cyber pals that are clowning around changing wiki text without being current on the recent academic debate: see Jeremy Hunt article This is Tomorrow, on internet Hunt-7. Ottex 3.3.07

It must be lonely being the only one who's "right" all the time, isn't it? Again, and I'll go slowly for you here: what is "internet Hunt-7"? Is it a link? It's not in the current version of the Pop Art article, which of course has no citations. Please, help me be "current" with the "academic" debate. (Or is it just an interview with McHale's crackpot son, which would make it a bit suspicious and hardly academic). But you're the "expert", help me out here. (You wouldn't be evading the question would you, Junior?). Freshacconci 15:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Try internet search: "jeremy hunt this is tomorrow hunt-7" and you should be able to access the article.all the best.ottex3/3/07

Thank you! That was helpful. Freshacconci 15:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Cite reliable sources

I have removed a large amount of unreferenced information from this article following a complaint (VRTS ticket # 2006110910007418). Please cite reliable sources for all information in this and any other article in accordance with the Verifiability policy and Reliable sources guidelines. If possible, please use the footnote syntax to clearly designate which source supports a particular piece of information. —{admin} Pathoschild 04:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories

Why not Category:Visual arts? Category:Visual arts is basically a category holding categories of the major visual arts topics. >>sparkit|TALK<< 14:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

A quick note on edit wars

To all other editors, before I get too carried away with some battle with McHale's son, or whoever he is, I'd like to say (although it may be satisfying), I'm stepping away from the fray and focus on improving the article, which I'm hoping everyone would agree is why we're here. Further comments from me will be editorial in focus and I prefer to stay away from the other nonsense. Happy editing! Freshacconci 15:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Images in article

Can we remove the Aya Takano image? Since there are plenty of wikilinks, an actual image may not be necessary (just click to find example of Japanese Pop). As there are no other examples (no Spanish Pop, no iconic Warhols, etc.), this seems oddly selective. I think just the image of the Richard Hamilton is enough for the general article. Freshacconci 14:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I mainly bring this up because of the edits DennisCaddy is currently working on. The image seems to get in the way of the columns (which I think work well). Freshacconci 14:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the image. If someone wants to see an example, they can click through to another page. Freshacconci 17:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Warhol on the list

why is andy warhol's name in the list of notable pop artists twice? just trying to help if this was a manual error

The duplicate name has been removed. Thanks. Freshacconci 20:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Just What Is It that Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing?

i replaced this image at the top because it i liked it, it fit the fair use criterion, and couldnt find any rationale on the talk page as to why it had been removed. i replaced the the artist credit in the caption (since it is disputed) with the year of origin and an explanation that it was one of the first recognized pop works. —PopeFauveXXIII 00:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Images

I restored all of the deleted eight paintings and sculpture, it's my feeling they greatly improve any understanding of Pop Art, they improve the text and demonstrate the period and time frame from which this movement emerged, it helps place the article in context. I also returned the list of notable artists. Modernist 22:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

ANDY WARHOL??

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Andy Warhol and BIG part of USA Pop Art? Why aren't any of his pieces pictured in this article?