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Maoist Int'l Movement

Deleted "The Maoist Internationalist Movement interprets "Iron Man" as being about a veteran of the Vietnam War [1]." While that may be true, it's not significant, as many groups may have many interpretations of the song, and it certainly wouldn't belong in the Composition section regardless. Squirrelcar 22:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marvel character

Does this song have anything to do with the Marvel Character? Were they any lawsuits?

I thought that since it was Iron Man killing everyone it couldn't be about the marvel character, but it talks about people he once saved, and that he was turned to steel at some point(Tony is of course human).

Maybe they got really stoned and had a discussion of what would happen if Iron Man turned fully into a robot? I dunno.

It's unrelated, perhaps an homage, but the character in the song is not supposed to be the Marvel character.--71.37.104.212 04:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not that it isn't posssible but I'd think the name was inspired by Iron Man the character, maybe not the words but the name. MaulYoda

I can't offer much in research, but the Marvel Character was a Nam vet who has shared the same fate as the song's character as while as the meaning of iron man isn't suppose to be a time traveling super-natural song but about a vietnam vet who wants revenge in the future because of his mistreatment. Can't prove, so I won't add it, but someone who can, please look into it and change please.

History

Why is it that I have never edited this article? (hint: I did edit an article about this song) Hyacinth 22:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I'm confusing my edits to riff regarding this song's riff...Hyacinth 22:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2000s?

I'm curious why the 2000s decade was picked for popularity at sporting events. I heard the song being played by my high school's marching band as early as 1996. Zarggg 18:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Story

The story of the song that currently up doesn't seem right. There's nothing in the song about a guy going to the future and turning into iron on the way back. Also, the line "kills the people he once saved," and the cover book on the Greatest Hits 1970-1978 albums saying that Iron Man is about "a robotic superhero wreaking a path of vengeance," clearly indicates that Iron Man is a superhero.

If you listen to the song, you will here "when he travelled time", which is refering to when he went to the future, and then "he was turned to steel, in the great magnetic field", which refers to how he became iron. I know its a bit farfetched but the 70s were quite the "high" time... And also, i dont believe super heroes go on rampages... they save people. adon 13:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the explanation of the song currently posted is quite wacky. What bag was that guy huffin' from? Perhaps he was sharing with Ozzy. In any case, the song is quite clearly about someone (an iron man!) who did something heroic (which only incidentally involved time travel) and thereby saved mankind. But for some unspecified reason -- presumably apathy and ingratitude -- he is ultimately shunned by those same people. It seems that in the course of his heroism he was turned to steel (which apparently isn't quite as agreeable as being made of iron) which left him quite messed up, and apparently dead. But hey, nobody cared. They were saved. So Iron Man is cool. But Iron Man found a way to overcome whatever ailed him, no thanks to the people he once saved and whom he now lashes out at. He went out of his way to do something nice, and nobody even said "thank you" let alone help him when he needed help. So heck with them. Awesome song, awesome riffs. A story of betrayal and revenge. Muddled 19:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

has he lost his mind can he see or is he blind.

can he walk at all or if he movers will he fall

is he live or dead has he thoughts within his head

well just pass him there why should we even care

he was turned to steel in that grave madnitc feild

when he travled time for the future of mankind

nobody wants him he just stairs at the world planing his vegence that he will soon unfurl

now the time is here for iron man to spread feer

vengence from the grave kill the people he once saved

nobody wants him they just stair at the world nobody helps him now he has his revenge

heavy boots of lead drills his victoms full of lead

running as fast as they can iron man lives again

that is the song notice that the verce "nobody wants him he just stairs at the world" is befor " now the time is here for iron man to spread feer vengence from the grave kill the people he once saved."

i propose that ironman was killed and then rebone evil.

or iron man is like francenstine. his crator didnt want him so he just left him to die. then he started killing people so they locked him away. then along time afterwordshe found a way to get out and killed everyone. but there is no dought about one thing, iron man was a great song!

Where in the song does it ever say anything about him witnessing an apocolypse in the future? I was under the impression that he saved the world, was turned to iron, and now nobody remembers what he did, so he gets his revenge... nothing about him witnessing an apocolypse.

It's perhaps important to note that Wikipedia isn't about what it might be. Is there a direct link to Black Sabbith Discussing what the song is about or not. If we want to give this song this story make sure it's indicated as this is an Assumed, or theory behind the song. Or provide a citation to someone with actual knowledge (perferably a band member) explaining the song. Talking about specific verses doesn't help the arguements, it just complicates it.Kinglink 20:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Think of it like this: "Iron Man" knows of an impeding apocalypse. Because he's a superhero, and he can do that. In the process of going there (or coming back), he becomes all iron-ey (Oh, a pun!) and nobody believes him. So he fucks 'em all up and causes the future apocalypse he saw. 72.72.227.135 03:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Totally wrong story, there is no reference to this paradox in the song, or the end of the world or anything! And who says he travelled in to the future?! It just says he travelled through time, and don't you usually travel back in time to save the world?? I'm going to change it to the simple way the song tells it. Try to stop me!--Mudel 19:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

THERE! Changed it! I think it's quite apt, if you find any grammar mistakes however, please do correct them. Thank you. --Mudel 19:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC) I'm a smart person, this is the tab that sounds right. INTRO[reply]

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Ironman

Interesting that this song existed before the other more famous Ironman. Mathmo 01:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

not really. 67.172.61.222 19:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What?

"However, many budding guitarists make the mistake of playing it in the key of E (on the open sixth string) rather than the recorded key of B."

Why? And how do we know?

I removed this; it doesn't even make sense. The first note is B; the key is E minor. Equalpants 08:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For sum reason I use to play Low E -0-3-3-5-5-8-7-8-7-8-3-3-5-5 but now I play B 2-5-5-7-7-11-10-11-10-11-5-5-7-7 I was so confused!

trivia errors.

I removed "In the arcade version of the game Ninja Gaiden, also known as Shadow Warriors, the second level boss theme is highly reminiscent of this song." There's nothing to support this. The second level boss was a barbarian with a sickle who wore armor, he's human however. There little even reminiscent, and if we listed everything reminiscent of something else there'd be little else on the system.

If you're going to add obscure trivia we should have a citation or at least an proof Kinglink 20:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the line about the Stayin' Alive cover is wrong, because, while it may have been released in 2005, I recall downloading said Stayin' Alive cover from Kazaa's heyday in 2002/3ish. I even have CDs burned from that period with it. (Also, the "I Am Discoman" line isn't said at the beginning, but somewhere in the middle.)

Transcribed melody

What's with that image of the iron man melody? its wrong - first of all, it shows its in C and that part with the quavers repeats itself, it doesn't change like in the image

Riff Tabbing

Should a tab of the riff be placed, since it's so famous? I can easily make one off of the method I use to play it. Though, I'm not sure if I do it correctly, since it makes reference to a "power chord" in there some where ... anyway, here's an example of how I play it.

E: 0-3-3-5-5-8-7-8-7-8-7-7-0-3-3

Of course, I don't know about the two solos. I've looked everywhere, it seems no one has ever tabbed them before, because I looked through like, 200 + google links, and can't find it. Any way, should this be added? 12.107.246.96 03:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're, uh, playing it completely wrong, dude. It's in B, for one thing, so the first note is on the 7th fret on the E string (or the 2nd fret on the next one up) and then there's several bends between notes (for example, between the second and third notes--which, on your incorrect tab, would be between 3 and 5.)

The reason it's *not* played in E is because later on (in the bridge after the first verse and after the final verse) there are notes that go far lower than the initial B note.

Also, http://ultimate-guitar.com has literally 'thousands' of guitar tabs--there's probably like a dozen just for Iron Man alone. Use the one with the most possible positive rating--IIRC, Iron Man's first one has over 250 5* ratings. That tab 'also' includes instructions on how to do the intro (the bending of the string done thrice while Ozzy says "I am Iron Man," as well as how to do the solo after the second chorus. Unfortunately I don't think it covers the ending solo piece, but some versions of the track don't even actually *include* it--I didn't know it existed for the longest time.

And power chords are chords played on two or three strings only, usually used on an electric guitar in rock/metal musics. What you're actually doing is playing the same note half an octave higher. To play a power chord, you're gonna want to put your pinky on the fret two above the fret your other finger is on--for simplicity's sake, to play a B power chord, you'd want your pointer on 7 on the E string and your pinky on 9 on the next string up.

This has been Onslaught Six giving guitar lessons on Wikipedia talk pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.162.44.30 (talk) 05:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Deleted reference to Birmingham Iron Man

The Birmingham Iron Man was finished in 1993. The song "Iron Man" was written in 1970. Therefore, the Birmingham Iron Man could not have been the inspiration for the song.

More than likely it's the other way 'round.

- YES The statue was made as a tribute to black sabbath, who are from birmingham

Iron Man is Jesus?

I'm surprised no one has yet brought up the idea that the titular character represents (or is at least inspired by) Jesus Christ; it's a rather obvious interpretation. A legendary hero comes to save humanity, but finds that they reject him, so he returns to destroy them. The song could have multiple meanings, but it seems like this ought to be at least be proposed as one. 71.146.32.97 08:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you can find a source that says this is a common theory, we can't put it in.Cameron Nedland 01:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iron Man

                      Iron Man                    
 Logan  Hardee                       
            In 1979 Iron Man was a big hit.Originally made by Black Sbeath.Tickits were soid out.That night the Black Sabeth played at club

Dimend.The people were yealing,screaming,and even jumping. it was neat—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.153.153.110 (talk) 01:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Composition.

The entire section really sucks. It needs a serious overhaul. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.67.160.216 (talk) 04:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

i tried to clean up the legacy section. shouldn't there be some mention of the music video?Dizzydark 04:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Final Words

At the end of the song, after the recorded lyrics they'res more speaking. I sounds electrically modified, but I can't quite tell what it's saying. Is it "I am Iron Man" again, or is it something else? It sounded to me almost like a frantic newsperson in the middle of a terrible event. Any insite on this would be apreciated, and perhaps should be added to Iron Man's main page. --24.185.116.124 00:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Possible link to Daft Punk?

The first line of "Iron Man", "I am the Iron Man", electronically distorted, sounds mighty similar to the main lyrics to Daft Punk's song "Brainwasher" ("I am the brainwasher"), with exactly the same distortion placed on it. Anyone else see the similarities? Mageslayer99 20:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 The Birmingham Iron Man was finished in 1993.  The song "Iron Man" was written in 1970.  Therefore, the Birmingham Iron Man could not have been the inspiration for the song.
 *More than likely it's the other way 'round.
+- YES The statue was made as a tribute to black sabbath, who are from birmingham
 ==Iron Man is Jesus?==