Talk:2007 Kenyan presidential election

Elections date may be changed and definitely fixed as soon as today or anyway in the next days. Keep pending to eventually adjust the date. Maximiliano .

revert

Kihiu (talk · contribs) just removed my addition of analysis from The Economist magazine (diff) with the misleading edit summary "Fixed timeline section". Has there been some decision where context and subsectioning is now a "mistake? - BanyanTree 23:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The new/added text contained a repetition of the endorsement by former President Moi which is at the beginning of the paragraph. Both Kibaki and Odinga have campaigned in Coast areas both appealing to Muslims and promising not to victimize wrongly in the war on terror. Yes Kibaki does have a strong backing of the Kikuyu community and Odinga has a strong backing of the Luhya. This is evident from the detailed regional opinion polls and any commentaries pertaining to this should be added there/campaign issues. The article mentioned that Muslims are unhappy with Kenya's support of the West's war on terror Banyan put Kibaki in place of Kenya. The platforms on which both candidates are running on should probably be addressed in the campaign issues. The timeline was wrong as Pius Muiru officially launched his bid prior to Parliament being dissolved. Also what criteria was used to determine that Pius Muiru is a minor candidate. He probably is (in my own opinion) but there is no poll/citation to show this.Kihiu 00:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Now why didn't you say that in the first place, rather than reverting under a misleading edit summary? Now that you've demonstrated that you know what you're talking about and have reasoning, I'm happy to leave the article to you. - BanyanTree 01:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the misleading edit summary note. I just meant to summarize all the issues briefly. Please feel free to make any contributions and correct me where I go wrong.Kihiu 02:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Note on results and change of power

As far as I'm aware the formal declaration of the result is not the very second where one presidential term ends and the next begins. Please see User:Bearcat/Post-Election Edit War Syndrome to be wary of the problems that have arisen when power has changed hands as the result of an election and umpteen edit wars have ensued. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The Kenyan constitution dates back to times when there were no presidential elections. Therefore, there are no written rules when and how the handover takes place. In 2002, Mwai Kibaki took the power almost immediately after Electoral Commission of Kenya declared him as the president and all went without a hitch. This time the situation is a bit more complex, as the incumbent president is one of the candidates, and the race is expected to be very tight between Raila and Kibaki. That could result in protests, possibly delaying the handover. Julius Sahara (talk) 18:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Source of results data

There are a number of sources for the results - I think we should report as from the official Electoral commission. Wizzy…☎ 07:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• The ECK result counting is really slow. By now, they have tallied less than three million votes out of ten million. The results by KTN include over eight million votes. But I doubt whether it is wise to post incomplete results at all, since they do fluctuate alot depending on what parts of the country votes are counted. Julius Sahara (talk) 07:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

All the others are exit polls. Do you really think KTN counted votes before ECK ?? Wizzy…☎ 08:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

KTN, Nation and others get their information straight from officials at polling stations. ECK uses the same data, but is slow at officially announcing it Julius Sahara (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Turnout

Are the turnout figures of 5-10% in some areas normal? Nil Einne (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge

I have taken the liberty of merging the riots and election results together. I think it would be better to do so. JoshHuzzuh  Talk  16:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Results

The figures given for the presidential election are NOT those which appear at the ECK website, which is given as the source. What is the ACTUAL source of these figures, and why is this source not given? Are these official figures or taken from a media source? This needs to be disclosed. If it is not I will delete the figures as UNSOURCED. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 08:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Aftermath Section

I feel that the entire wording on that section is horrendous. It doesn't meet the criteria, as there are grammar and spelling issues. Not to mention that it doesn't follow the style of the other sections. JoshHuzzuh  Talk  12:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Results

As foreshadowed above, I have deleted the tables of results, which are unsourced. The only source mentioned is the ECK, but these figures do not appear at the ECK website. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Violence

It is obviously not just a Luo against Kikuyu pattern. Violence goes mainly against Kikuyus because they are identified with Kibaki who is Kikuyu and is perceived by non-Central Kenyans to be the one who stole the vote - but sadly that happens all over Kenya, See the reports about Kalenjin-dominated Eldoret or coastal Mombasa. --Kipala (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

A separate article on riots?

Is there already enough content to create a separate article on the elections aftermath? This should be sufficiently covered. --Tone 18:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Nah, there's really no point to separate the articles. JoshHuzzuh  Talk  23:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)