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::The basic problem is trying to give people ''one'' nationality in order to count up the 'scores' for different countries. But many people in the list have multiple nationalities or are American citizens born in different countries. One solution is to call it ''''nationality at time of award''''. E.g. Yul Brynner left Russia when he was a child and was an American citizen when he won the award, so call him an American. But Anthony Hopkins was British when he won the award so call him British even though he became an American later.[[User:Cop 663|Cop 663]] ([[User talk:Cop 663|talk]]) 13:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC) |
::The basic problem is trying to give people ''one'' nationality in order to count up the 'scores' for different countries. But many people in the list have multiple nationalities or are American citizens born in different countries. One solution is to call it ''''nationality at time of award''''. E.g. Yul Brynner left Russia when he was a child and was an American citizen when he won the award, so call him an American. But Anthony Hopkins was British when he won the award so call him British even though he became an American later.[[User:Cop 663|Cop 663]] ([[User talk:Cop 663|talk]]) 13:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC) |
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most only become americans for ease and economics, it should go by birth unless it has exception circumstances |
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Robert De Niro
At least an incorrect entry found. The Oscar for the best actor in a leading role in 1974 was won by Robert D'Niro (Godfather II). Source: www.oscars.com/legacy/pastwinners/index.html, Hobbit 16:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Looks like he won for "Actor in a Supporting Role" (emphasis mine). Removed factual tag. - Bellhalla 16:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- Ooops! That's right. Thanks for the correction. Hobbit 19:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
- No problem! — Bellhalla 22:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
- For the 1974 Academy Awards, Best Actor was Art Carney (Harry and Tonto), while Best Supporting Actor was Robert De Niro (The Godfather Part II). (Joseph A. Spadaro 04:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC))
List of winners format
The formatting for list of winners in Best Actor and these decades for the Best Actress: 2000s,1940s, and 1950s use one format but the Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress, and Directing use another. Any idea, which is the "correct" look? Bogsat 18:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know what is correct but what I prefer is the format used for Best Actor etc because it shows 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc which links to ceremonies many of which have their own article. I'm not sure where else the ceremony articles would logically link from if we didn't use them in this way. Rossrs 02:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
- I have changed it a bit as can be seen in 20s and 30s. I prefer this as better because it resolves the inconsistencies in case of ties. Hope people will abide by my choice. Please make changes to others too, else I will do in my own free time. Vivek 01:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I would like to add two points to this discussion. (1) All of the pages seem consistent in formatting at this point, except for one (somewhat minor) inconsistency. It seems that the name of the character being portrayed by the actors in these pages is enclosed in quotation marks if it is a fictitious character ... but is not enclosed in quotation marks if it is a real-life character. However, that style is inconsistent. On the Best Actress page, particularly, quotation marks seem to be used in all character names, whether the character is fictitious or real. But that does not seem to be the case with the other pages. Also ... (2) It would be a good idea, I think, to include the Awards Ceremony Number (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.) as a link for each year. Any thoughts? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro 04:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC))
Posthumous nominees
I believe Spencer Tracy was a posthumous nominee for Guess Who's Coming to Dinner- that makes three, not two,such nominations Wjiesq 20:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)Bill Ingersoll
- It's four, actually. James Dean, Tracy, Peter Finch and Massimo Troisi. They're all mentioned in the article now. JackofOz 03:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Seeing double
Anybody think it's worth including Lemmon got "Best Actor" & "Best Supporting", so far the only actor to do it? Trekphiler 15:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- I think it is worth including. But are you sure that he was the only actor to do so? It seems like several others have achieved this as well -- no? (JosephASpadaro 22:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
- There have been no less than six - from the article: "Six actors have won both this award and the award for Best Supporting Actor: Jack Lemmon, Robert De Niro, Jack Nicholson, Gene Hackman, Kevin Spacey and Denzel Washington." JackofOz 06:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Ryan Gosling
Is it worth noting Ryan Gosling being the first past Mickey Mouse Club cast member up for Best Actor? (LadySatine 19:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC))
- It is an interesting side note of trivia, if true. Yes, I would say to include that. (JosephASpadaro 22:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC))
Sayonara
Brando's character in Sayonara was Lloyd Gruber, not Garber. Just FYI Jvortiz 02:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)jvortiz, 01/25/07
Same character
Is Peter O'Toole the only actor nominated for the same role in two different movies? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.225.206.193 (talk) 18:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
Take off the flags
I suggest we take off the flags. It makes the whole article messy and confusing with the colorful flags all over the place. The flags overshadows the names of the nominees and winners, in my opinion. Besides this is the Oscar not the Olympics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.3.232.79 (talk) 04:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC).
- I agree - also, why is the rarely-used "flag of england" used here, while other categories use the union jack?-67.85.183.103 15:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Nuke them. They're fine in the 'Foreign Film' award article because nationality is important there, but nationality of the actor is irrelevant to the Best Actor award. Cop 633 03:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- What was the status of this? They're still there... Jauerback 14:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Umm... no they're not! Are we talking about the same thing?Oh sorry, there are a few down the bottom. I'll zap them. WP:FLAGCRUFT gives good reasons not to use flags in lists like this. Cop 663 15:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Award dates
Comparing the listings in the article with those at IMDB - eg [[1]], etc - the dates in the article all seem to be a year early: what's going on? The dates in IMDB refer to the date of the ceremony, and the movie would have been made the year before, so if the dates in the article refer to the release date for the movie that might explain it, maybe? --Stephen Burnett 18:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- Most awards ceremonies have the same problem: the 'awards for 2006 films' will be held in 2007, so some people call them the '2006 awards' and some the '2007 awards'. IMDB chooses the latter, but there seems to be a vague convention on Wikipedia to go for the earlier 'year of release' date. I don't know how this convention arose or whether it was a conscious decision. 18:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- OK, many thanks. Maybe that's why the Academy decided to go for ceremonies numbered rather than dated, eg [42nd Academy Awards] --Stephen Burnett 18:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
1984 Oscar
Can someone please have a look at the winning entry for 1984?! Somehow I doubt that the Greek poet Homer won the oscar as best actor some 2500 years after his death. *g* The movie title is linked to a disambiguation page which doesn't have a movie from 1983 or 1984 on it and the character name links to an Italian composer. 91.64.190.188 23:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Fixed. Cop 663 00:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Nationalities of winners table
I have concerns about the "Nationalities of winners" table that was recently added to this article along with the Best Actress, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Supporting Actor articles – many of them regard issues similar to what are raised WP:MOSFLAG.
What is the primary reason and basis to determine nationality or citizenship of the winners? Is it the nationality or citizenship of each actors' birth? Is it the nationality or citizenship when their specified film was released? Or is it their nationality or citizenship today?
There are many actors and actress like Oscar winners Anthony Hopkins, John Houseman, Elizabeth Taylor, and Charlize Theron who have changed their citizenship during their career. So unless there is some sort of standard, I am afraid I will have to remove the table. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
- What is it that you are ultimately looking to achieve ... removing the tables ... or establishing a standard? Those are two very different objectives. If it is the latter, I am sure that some standard can be derived through consensus. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:50, 25 November 2007 (UTC))
- The basic problem is trying to give people one nationality in order to count up the 'scores' for different countries. But many people in the list have multiple nationalities or are American citizens born in different countries. One solution is to call it 'nationality at time of award'. E.g. Yul Brynner left Russia when he was a child and was an American citizen when he won the award, so call him an American. But Anthony Hopkins was British when he won the award so call him British even though he became an American later.Cop 663 (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
most only become americans for ease and economics, it should go by birth unless it has exception circumstances