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Is this reliable

I just want to make sure that the source that wrote this is correct about this operation. To the person who wrote this: Are you positive that this happened?

--Rentastrawberry 00:16, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well, the article is worded to sound attention-getting, but yes, it's accurate. The CIA didn't call it "mind control", they called it "behavior control". And LSD wasn't widely known at the time. The experiments were largely failures, since the primary goals – making an agent immune to interrogation, or finding a way of forcing a captured spy reveal all he knew – were never met. – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 01:02, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

Sounds like a Scientology tract

This article is suspicious, especially the parts about children and electroconvulsive therapy. The ideas here are identical to those in Scientology. Are there any Internet references, or any other books? A2Kafir 17:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is true--- there have also been projects involving service men and prostitutes in San Francisco in the sixties using LSD as a means for extra sensory perception.I believe it is called mk ultra. :)kharrison...Nov 4, 2006 Who is to say that this kind of thing has ever stopped?

Sources?

I question that this text constitutes a valid source:

BLUEBIRD: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personalities by Psychiatrists, Colin A. Ross, M.D., Richardson, Texas: Manitou Communications, 2000.

Does anyone have the document available to link to? If so, does that link exist on a reliable site? Have any editors actually read this document?

Alpha262 21:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned on a number of websites (mostly blogs), but I can't find any authoritative references to it. – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Found verifiable source

I draw your attention to this document, the only reference to Project Bluebird I could find on any U.S. Government site; this one comes directly from cia.gov under the FIA. It was released in 2004. See this location for the document. A 'keyword' to find this document was bluebird, among others. I recognise this does not verify most of the substance of the article, i.e. if the CIA actually took part in the program and to what extent, however this is enough to show that "Bluebird" is a keyword of material the CIA investigated regarding mind control and hypnosis. DanielBC [_talk^contrib_stats] 13:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed

The info in this article comes mainly from one source - a fellow (Colin Ross, M.D.) who seems very much a conspiracy theorist.

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 I draw your attention to this document, the ''only'' reference to '''Project Bluebird''' I could find on any U.S. Government site; this one comes directly from cia.gov under the FIA.  It was released in 2004.  See [http://www.foia.cia.gov/browse_docs.asp?doc_no=0001108329&title=MEMO+TO+CHIEF,+CONTACT+DIVISION+FROM+(DELETED)++RE+USING+HYPNOTISM+BEING+USED+T&abstract=&no_pages=0002&pub_date=3/4/1952&release_date=7/29/2004&keywords=MKULTRA|ARTICHOKE|BLUEBIRD&case_no=F-2001-01749&copyright=0&release_dec=RIPPUB&classification=U&showPage=0001 this location for the document]. A 'keyword' to find this document was bluebird, among others. I recognise this does not verify most of the substance of the article, i.e. if the CIA actually took part in the program and to what extent, however this is enough to show that "Bluebird" is a keyword of material the CIA investigated regarding mind control and hypnosis. [[User:DanielBC|DanielBC]] [<sub>[[User talk:DanielBC|talk]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/DanielBC|contrib]]</sup><sub>[[User:DanielBC/Stats|stats]]</sub>] 13:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
+== Disputed ==
+The info in this article comes mainly from one source - a fellow (Colin Ross, M.D.) who seems very much a conspiracy theorist.