Talk:Irish phonology

sibilants

The chart has /sˠ/ and /ʃ/. One of the diagrams has /sˠ/ and /ɕ/. Since /ɕ/ = /ʃʲ/ (the IPA symbol is palatalized postalveolar), should the chart read /sˠ/ vs. /ʃʲ/ instead? kwami (talk) 08:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

The sound phonetically is apparently usually [ɕ] = [ʃʲ], but it's a little hard to pin down precisely. Some sources describe it as [ʃ], and since effectively all Irish speakers are bilingual with English, it's pretty likely they use exactly the same sound when speaking Irish as when speaking English. This article originally used /ɕ/, but I later changed it to /ʃ/ due to complaints (probably still on this talk page) that /ɕ/ was inaccurate and/or misleading. I figure for a broad transcription, /ʃ/ is good enough and less likely to be confused with /ç/, which is a completely different phoneme. /ʃʲ/ would work too, but it has a touch of OR since while some published works use /ʃ/ and others use /ɕ/, none uses /ʃʲ/. —Angr ^{If you've written a quality article...} 16:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro

The article should make clear in the 1st sentence that it's talking about Irish Gaelic, not Irish English, rather than leaving it to a picture & the 4th paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.164.119 (talk) 10:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Something like "The phonology of the Irish language varies..." would be a quick fix to that. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 14:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

ok wtf these guyz are wierd seriously who has paragraph long discussions in articles like wtf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.46.252 (talk) 23:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Slender ng

Why [ɲ] instead of [ŋʲ]? I'd say that [ɲ] is the symbol for Spanish "ñ" or Italian "gn", a palatal nasal. But slender Irish "ng" is a different sound, a palatalized velar nasal. -- 85.199.89.152 (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2008 (UTC)