Talk:Seventh generation of video game consoles

Please do not change any of the launch prices in this article, regardless of current price. The launch prices are set in history and there is no way they will ever change. .

Please do not change any of the sales numbers without citing a valid source. VGChartz.com and Nexgenwars.com are not considered valid sources. The most reliable sources are the companies' own quarterly financial statements. See WP:FN for help with creating reference tags. .

Nintendo DS is NOT Seventh Gen.

I don't think the DS is Seventh Generation because first, it was made in 2004, and it's graphics are similar of the PSone. Yes, one. I think the DS belongs in Sixth Generation, because is is not 7th Gen. worthy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.215.236 (talk) 17:07, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The distinction of whether it belongs in sixth or seventh generation is due to release dates and what it is competing against. It is not whether it is graphically similar to a previous generation console. Chan Yin Keen | Talk 18:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, otherwise the Wii would also belong in the previous generation. Nintendo even admitted up front the graphics wouldn't be significantly better than the GameCube's. The Seventh Taylor (talk) 21:30, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphical capabilities don't determine the generation of a console. Neither do motion sensing capabilities (that would put the Wii a generation past the 360). The release date is the only factor. Why do people keep bringing this up? Useight (talk) 03:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to think that release dates aren't the only thing that define generations either. It's worth noting too that the scope of the some of the older generations overlap in years. As it is I feel the DS is seventh gen mostly due to its attitude. 7th gen systems are all focused on socialability to some extent and the DS is certainly included in that trend. Of course release dates have something to do with it otherwise we'd include the original XBOX in the 7th gen under my classification too. I think maybe the generations are best defined as time periods in which certain trends and technologies are dominant. Under that model then yes, the DS is definitely 7th gen.70.171.212.60 (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Other consoles

Should the Vii be included, or are there many other Famiclones in this generation that should then be included as well? The Seventh Taylor (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Console War?

MAybe we should include the console war... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.79.140 (talk) 23:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Archive?

The page is starting to get rather long, so I would suggest an archive up to and including "Sales Standings." If there are no objections, I will archive the page by Tuesday. Laptopdude (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

It has been archived Laptopdude (talk) 00:11, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Current price

I think we should add current price to the comparison table. It will give readers a better idea on how the consolemakers position themselves on the market today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueblister (talk • contribs) 03:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I think, the prices have not changed since launch. If there is variation in terms of price from the launch price, it is probably due to the retailers, not console makers. Can anyone verify any official price drops or price hikes though? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 05:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The Xbox 360 in Japan is getting an offical price drop, although the article indicates only US dollars not yen. --Silver Edge (talk) 05:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my bad. The 60GB PS3 had a pricedrop in october of last year but it has been phased out since then.Blueblister (talk) 15:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

handhelds =/= consoles

Should this article not be called History of video game systems (seventh generation) ? Handhelds are not consoles. xenocidic (talk) 14:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

See handheld game console. --Silver Edge (talk) 21:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, but see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/console

“ A video game console, especially as opposed to a handheld. ”

I guess I'm just not a fan of calling portable gaming systems "consoles", but I guess it's not a big deal. xenocidic (talk) 22:00, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

VG Chartz

Can someone tell me why VG Gartz is not a relaible source for sales figures? Thanks. Seanor3 (talk) 15:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Something about being self-published, I think. Zanfy (talk) 21:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Check at WikiProject Video Games. VGChartz is just a little different from a self-publishing source that does make their numbers up. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The beginning of XBox's article isn't showing up

It starts off with the headline about the consoles and the goes right into mid-article about XBox without the title or beginning of it. If you try to edit it you see that it's there in the editing section but there's nothing I can seem to do to make what appears in the edit section appear on the page itself. --67.165.141.239 (talk) 21:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, one reference was eating it all. It is already fixed now, thanks for informing that! -- ReyBrujo (talk) 23:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

What distinguishes Seventh Generation?

I came to this article expecting to find a clear explanation of what characteristics qualify a video game console as belonging to the "seventh generation." Instead, all I see are comparisons of various video game consoles that are generally deemed to belong to this group. Unfortunately, this does nothing to explain what sets these apart from sixth generation machines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.23.57 (talk) 06:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

See #Nintendo DS is NOT Seventh Gen. --Silver Edge (talk) 15:27, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Worldwide

Worldwide must mean Worldwide minus US and Japan, but it doesn't say that. In the worldwide sales for XBox 360, PS3, Wii the numbers can not be the worldwide sales. Is there anyway to change this without having to write too much? 142.165.59.39 (talk) 00:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, if I was trying to find a quick way to say the number included the entire world except the US and Japan, I'd probably call the area Europe/Australia. I know that doesn't include Asia, but they don't really sell too much in Asia (except Japan), unless I'm mistaken. And I'm not sure about the numbers you're referring to, just giving a possible answer for your question. Useight (talk) 00:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Are we saying that suddenly the US and Japan aren't part of the world?? Chan Yin Keen | Talk 01:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Wii RAM

Well, my understanding of memory isn't that great, but the article currently says Wii has 91MB total of RAM. I think it may be in error. Someone please verify.24.180.171.1 (talk) 03:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Update

I added an update template to the milestone games for a few simple reasons:

• There is a complete lack of PS3 games. Although PS3 didn't do so well this generation, they've obviously produced some great titles.

• Super Mario Galaxy is outrageously outdated. Quote "...sold more copies on its first week, including over 500,000 in the US, than any other game for the Wii..." See Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

• I am almost certain that some new news has cropped up about Halo 3 besides its sales figures.

I'm really busy right now, but I might do some stuff to it tomorrow.--haha169 (talk) 05:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahh...yes, and also:

• PS3 - I believe we may have to add Devil May Cry 4.

• XBox 360 - Call of Duty 4, obviously. This article mentioned how this game helped Xbox tremendously in its opening week.

• Wii - Wii Sports. Definitely. 17 million in sales, better than all other games this gen. Plus, you get to play sports by swinging around and not actually doing it! --haha169 (talk) 15:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

The fact that you will have to be constantly updating your Nintendo titles is a clear indication that it's way too soon to be "deciding" what the biggest games of this generation will be. It would be like going ahead and listing whatever presidential front-runner is currently leading in the polls as the 42nd President of the United States.pjh3000 (talk) 02:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Why can't we just leave it as is and wait a year or two before we write the history books. Probably should take this section out all together. It's way too soon to track this unless someone is just trying to inflate their e-penis. pjh3000 (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Not really. Milestone titles aren't just titles that largely affected future games. They are also titles that have affected a large amount of modern events. For example, Halo 3 had been shown on various CNN and other TV network news stations. Super Smash Brawl had a midnight Gamestop tournament.

Technologically, Wii Sports created a whole new platform of movement while playing, while Call of Duty 4 is a breakthrough in graphics. --haha169 (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot

It says there is a request for a screenshot. What kind of screenshot are we looking for, here? --haha169 (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Good point, I've removed the argument from the vgproj tag. xenocidic (talk) 14:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

==NPOV==

I believe this article to be biased toword nintendo and the wii. For example:

“ BioShock (Xbox 360, PC) is considered a major influential and artistic game of this generation[108][109] with a plot that quickly created controversy with the decisions the player makes during the game.[110] ”

“ Halo 3 (Xbox 360) broke many first day records, including preorders (1.7 million+), and first day sales (US$170 million+), surpassing its predecessor, Halo 2, in both of these fields.[111][112] It created a breakthrough in artificial intelligence technology, making the enemy, Al, a strong figure. However, the player's allies could easily be considered to be far poorer in intelligence quality.[113][114] ”

“ Super Mario Galaxy (Wii), currently one of the most critically acclaimed title of the seventh generation, sold more copies in its first week, including over 500,000 in the US, than any other game for the Mario title in the history of the franchise.[115] It is second only to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time as the overall best-reviewed game of all-time, as listed on Game Rankings.[116] ”

“ Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) is a product of a landmark joint cooperation between former rival companies, Nintendo and Sega, along with the help of Konami.[117] [118] It is the third in a series of cross-over fighting game and is the first Wii game to strongly support online play.[119] It dominated sales during both Japan and North American release dates, selling 850,000 in its first week in Japan and 1.4 million in North America.[120][121] ”

“ Wii Sports (Wii) has been attributed as a major factor in the Wii's worldwide success.[122] The game, along with Wii Fit, has been cited as attracting more casual, female, and elderly gamers.[123] This is a rarity among seventh generation games, as developers tend to try and attract young males.[124] It has also been cited as one game that can provide a bonding experience among family members,[125] and as a means of exercising and losing weight when played regularly.[126] As of December 31, 2007, the game has sold 17.85 million copies worldwide—including bundled copies, making it the best-selling Wii game published by Nintendo.[127] ”

If you notice, not one bad thing is said about any of the wii games, but non wii games are criticized. There are more examples besides just this. Sorry about bad format, (new) but we should clean this article up. 68.38.187.85 (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)unregistered

It's definitely biased towards Nintendo. We should probably remove the Milestones section anyway. Until the next generation, we won't know what the big titles were for this one. Until then, it's just prognosticating, which has no place on Wikipedia.pjh3000 (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Reformatted for readability. No comment as the bias. xenocidic (talk) 14:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, if you want, you can add verified criticisms of the Wii games (but don't over-do it), and you could add some more positive things for 360, and maybe add an obvious PS3 milestone title. One whole reason why there are more Wii games is because of the Wii's nature of being the only console to be based on in-game motion. There isn't that much to talk about graphics, except that the graphics are "quite amazing". Remember, be bold and edit the article yourself. But its good that you pointed it out, I'll see what I can do. --haha169 (talk) 23:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Response to pjh The milestone titles section stays. Wikipedia documents current events as well as history. I was a main editor for Effect of the 2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike on television, and was there for the large remodeling of the article after it was over. Once the 8th gen comes out, we can re-format that section, but right now, we know which games are more influential than the other games in this generation. It's actually quite obvious. --haha169 (talk) 23:36, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

The way Wikipedia works is consensus, not just once person who edited some other articles' fanboy opinion. So far you're the only one defending the Nintendo bias.pjh3000 (talk) 23:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

"Versions" of consoles.

Not a lot needs to be said about it, but I think it's significant that this generation is the first to see major consoles offering different versions of themselves at launch and beyond. We might not think too much about it now, but I think it will be remembered that this generation is the first to see widespread acceptance of all demographics, and the fact that the consoles have been parsed to meet different practical and economic uses is indicative of that. (My analysis, of course, shouldn't be part of the article - I'm just trying to convince you all that is IS important). 70.171.212.60 (talk) 00:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, last generation, there was the PS2 and the PS2 Slim. Useight (talk) 00:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure, but I think the key phrase in my post was "at launch." There were also multiple versions of the gameboy advance, nes, snes, genesis, etc, but those were mostly just ongiong manufacturing changes.70.171.212.60 (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

You did say "at launch and beyond." I do agree that this is the first generation where multiple SKUs is prominent, but I was just bringing up that it had happened before. Useight (talk) 00:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)