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On the overland, I didn't have much of a problem with most of the section. Just the statement that he lost all the battles but one. I don't think this is needed as a contrarian position. Rather, eliminate that statement and the Sheridan quote. Both are what I would view as being on either extreme.
On the overland, I didn't have much of a problem with most of the section. Just the statement that he lost all the battles but one. I don't think this is needed as a contrarian position. Rather, eliminate that statement and the Sheridan quote. Both are what I would view as being on either extreme.


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Procedure question: I'll be making some extensive edits to the Valley. Is there a way that I can store proposed edits without changing the actual content?
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Please explain

Please explain why you would find a need to dictate that a link I added to the Edward Ord site would be irrelevant. The item demonstrates an interesting piece of the Ord family history. All of my items are very well researched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomyarbro (talkcontribs) 01:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vicksburg

Greetings - This paragraph describing the siege of Vicksburg:

In the twenty days since the river crossing at Bruinsburg, Mississippi, Grant had marched his troops 180 miles, inflicting 7,200 casualties at a cost of 4,300 of his own, winning five of five battles—Port Gibson, Raymond, Jackson, Champion Hill, and Big Black River Bridge—and not losing a single gun or stand of colors.

Is remarkably similar to Foote's description in his second book on the Civil War, page 381 in which Foote writes:

"In the twenty days since they crossed the Mississippi, they had marched 180 miles to fight and win five battles -- Port Gibson, Raymond, Jackson, Champion Hill, Big Black River --occupy a deep south capital, inflict over 7000 casualties at a cost of less than 4300 of their own. . .they had not lost a gun or a stand of colors."

This is too close for comfort. I'd like to see this paragraph changed or at least attributed to the venerable Foote. Thanks.

Joe Williams williamsjm@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.216.235 (talk) 03:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Battle Article Icons

I've received a few responses where the authors say they actually likes the additions. Should be on my talk page. Foofighter20x (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI. BusterD (talk) 02:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In response to the message left on my talk page: Agreed. If you'll notice, I've done almost all of 1861, 1863, and 1865. I've corrected some where another has ran with my idea but used the wrong flag. I'll keep an eye on this. One more question, however. Where it lists combatants, do you think it's a good idea to go in and change them all from "United States of America" to "United States" (which then links to "Union (American Civil War)")? Foofighter20x (talk) 03:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah, same question with "Confederate State os America"... Shorten that to Confederate States or Confederacy?? Thanks. Foofighter20x (talk) 03:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anon Editors on Atlanta Campaign

In response to your question about leaving warning messages (WP:UTM) on anon IP talk pages, it does seem to be effective. It's also good to identify the IP address as a public one (such as {{SharedIPEDU}} as that helps admins track it's usage. Either the anon vandal reads the message and stops, or if they persist from the same IP, then you can report them on WP:AIV. Just make sure you have progressed through the warnings sufficiently and have reach level 3 or 4 within a few hours before reporting. It's also good to tag the IP talk page for apparrent vandalism so that people can identify trouble IPs that always seem to be misbehaving. Just make sure you read and understand Wikipedia:Guide to administrator intervention against vandalism before trying to get the IP blocked. If you don't follow the rules, the admins will not block the IPs.

In the case the Atlanta Campaign, the anon edits seem to be coming from different IPs on a daily basis though so it might reduce the effectiveness of this approach, but there's not really a plan "B" as far as I know. Hope this helps! --Roswell native (talk) 02:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, forgot a couple of important items. You want enlist a few other editors interested in the article to avoid breaking the three-revert rule 3RR as that could also weakened your case when requesting a block. Especially in this case when an administrator not familiar with the topic might think that the anon IP edits have some credibility (i.e they'll think it's an edit war instead of vandalism). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roswell native (talkcontribs) 02:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, didn't see your message on my talk page until just now. Looks like the anon editing has quieted down on this a bit. I'm not an admin, but I've had similar issues with other articles I have edited. When I saw similar things happening on that article, I thought I could help. Take care, --Roswell native (talk) 01:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits and comments

Hi. I want to salute you as a true American and a person of valuable dedication to important topics in this overall project. your consistent and high-quality editing of articles and concepts which are important to the history of our nation is truly encouraging to observe. thanks for all your efforts. hope all goes well. i look forward to watching more of your efforts and work in this regard. thanks very much. see you. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Informing past contributors of new TFD for Template:Maintained

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Custer Lead Paragraph

Hello HLJ -

I reverted some of the new lead you included in the Custer article and explained why on the Talk page. I'd be happy to discuss a good way to include some of the additional information you provided into the article. Sensei48 (talk) 22:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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abner doubleday and the cable car

I am writing the biography of Abner Doubleday. You seem to have info I do not about his role in the cable car story. please e mail me. at tombart0@yahoo.com Prof. Tom Barthel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.59.72.12 (talk) 00:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Second Bull Run (Manassass)

Hey why dont you want the exact numbers of the Battle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.195.140 (talk) 16:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As explained in the footnotes, there are no exact numbers for the battle itself in any of the article's references. If you have information from secondary sources that give them, you can adjust the numbers, footnotes, and Refs accordingly. You can't simply change the numbers. Hal Jespersen (talk) 18:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for the aid in the XXII Corps (ACW) page. I learned a couple things from your assistance. Leobold1 (talk) 19:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fuze vs. Fuse for ACW Artillery

I noticed you changed the spelling on this. While my natural inclination is to use "fuse" as well, I read an analysis of this by several of the foremost ACW artillery projectile authors (Jack Melton and Peter George at least) that reached a consensus of "fuze." http://cwpforums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140 This doesn't necessarily agree with modern parlance or other armies/conflicts, but it appears to have been the appropriate term for the Union and Confederate service orndance literature. The O.R. uses "fuse" mostly but I'm not sure if those transcriptions are accurate reproductions of the (mostly volunteer civilian) officer's own handwritten spellings, or the government typesetters who were accustomed to using "fuse." As one fellow points out, percussion devices are properly termed "fuze" rather than "fuse". He seems to indicate that "fuze" would be inclusive of both burning powder train and other types. Me, I don't really care as long as I know the rules. Red Harvest (talk) 17:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Bull run

what did they wear during the battle of bull run —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.210.137 (talk) 17:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to ask me a legitimate question, sign in as a Wikipedia user so that I can reply on your Talk page or send me an e-mail. Hal Jespersen (talk) 17:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Winfield Scott citations you requested

The majority of the information is directly from wiki articles relating to those persons or places in the paragraph. Since the words are linked, would I still need to cite the wiki article again? For example, in the first paragraph, it is almost word for word from the wiki article on Martin Van Buren. I could put it in quotes and cite the wiki article if needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odestiny (talkcontribs) 19:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Winfield Scott citations - update

Thank you for your reply. I have added citations and hope they will suffice. If not, I will try to supply better. For the soldier's statement, I added a second reference in the links at the bottom of the page back to the full letter reproduced on the Cherokee Nation website. Having seen some of the craziness added to the wiki page about the Cherokee, I am beginning to understand the importance of the citations now. Thanks again. Odestiny (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perryville battle maps

Hal,

Outstanding job with the diagrams to accompany the Battle of Perryville article. I've been there and have read a couple of books about the battle; it's not an easy one to get a handle on and your maps greatly enhance the impact of the article.

Thanks!


Rdikeman (talk) 23:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of Dead Confederate at Petersburg

I have just one question, upon a close examination of the photo of the individual I see that he is wearing a US breast plate insigia. Has anyone else noticed this or made any comments about this matter? If the breast plate is accurate this was probably a Union soldier. The uniform looks more like the Confederates of the time. Very few had official CSA garb. Just curious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crfarris (talkcontribs) 21:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the outcome of the Battle of Monocacy Junction (slightly)

In the Book "Team of Rivals," Goodwin states that Wallace couldn't hold off the efenders, but delay them instead. Since this was accomplished (delaying Early) I chnaged the outcome to "Tactical Confederate victory, Strategic Union victory (Early is delayed)." Exec. Tassadar (comments, contribs) 03:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ruggles Batteries

Hey, continued this here off the Shiloh page - as far as the numbers go, I don't know about newer vs older research (nor do I have access to the footnote/source you asked about). Heck, I'm not even positive I remember the numbers exactly, it's just what I think I remembered reading on probably a National Park Service plaque there on the battlefield itself (and I have *no* idea how one would cite that, although you'd hope that it could be considered at least a semi-reliable source). Hence, my original question about the numbers. --Umrguy42 (talk) 06:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, sorry, looked at the wrong reference. Never mind :) --Umrguy42 (talk) 06:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheridan

Hal: I agree with you that a lot of Sheridan is battle description. However, I've only modified Perryville and Chickamauga and have not added to the length. In both cases to focus more specifically on Sheridan. I am brand new at wikipedia and want to get this done right.

As for biographies, my thought is that development of the subject's personality and impact should be the primary focus. Am I reaching by wanting to put in things like quotes from Sheridan. For example at Chickamauga, I have a newspaper account by a colonel who saw Sheridan crying at the destruction of his division. There is another at Chickamauga where he sees his men being forced back into the battle line by subordinate officers, cut down by Confederate fire but unable to return fire because of retreating Yankee mobs from the front line. Sheridan screamed out to the officers, "Let them go! Let them go for their lives!" I was thinking the bio entroy could show Chickamauga as the biggest whipping that Sheridan ever got in his life. I would cut out the he went this way and that way and focus on him. There is also a great quote from Gen. Lovell Rousseau on Sheridan at Stones River. It would tell the reader more about Sheridan in combat that simply saying he was promoted x date to rank from x date.

What are your thoughts?

On the overland, I didn't have much of a problem with most of the section. Just the statement that he lost all the battles but one. I don't think this is needed as a contrarian position. Rather, eliminate that statement and the Sheridan quote. Both are what I would view as being on either extreme.

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