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== Superman == |
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The images illustrate interesting facts about the show. Perhaps I could move them to the episode list? [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 19:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:It's not just any old door, it's the door of a key location in the series, the Carnation Building. The crowd scene represents two different "takes" of the well-known "up in the sky" shot used in the black-and-whites. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 19:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::I'm not sure the Carnation Building is a "key" location. It was simply an exterior used to represent the Daily Planet's front door. Besides the pic isn't of the best quality and doesn't really "show" anything other than a door that was typical for its time. I'm not really sure it would be of any value to Wiki readers. There are two pics of Coates and Larson in the article so the doorway pic isn't necessary to illustrate the actors. But that's just me. While the crowd scene is two different frames, it was probably used in the "Birthday Letter" to save production costs of hiring extras to play a crowd. The crowd pic could be moved to the "Birthday Letter" episode in the episode list with ''a good caption'' explaining exactly what is going on in the pic. The episode list should be set up on Wiki templates. Including very specific pics here and there on the list would be of value to those accessing the list. I think the opening sequence shot of Reeves as Superman standing in front of the American flag would be a good pic to include. It's an iconic image that most people associate at once with the show. [[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 20:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::If you were to go way back in the article you would see that there was a point to showing the Carnation Building entrance. Many sources claim the Carnation Building was used as the Planet Building, which is partially true. The building number in that picture confirms it. The wide shot, as noted in the article, was a different building. I'll work on moving the photos to episode guide, which could use some spicing up as it's fairly stark (other than the title cards I added to it to illustrate b&w vs. color). [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 20:26, 6 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::And while you're slaving away on this article, I'm listing to the theme song on my iPod. :) [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 20:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::I moved those two photos to the episode list. Also rescued one of Overjoyed's that was orphaned and tagged for deletion. It's from "Beware the Wrecker", so it's fitting to be in the episode list. Now all we need is one or two from the color seasons. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 08:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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How do you figure Phil Tead to be any more of a recurring character than some of the other repeaters? [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 07:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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: Phil Tead made five appearances as Professor Pepperwinkle. While other actors (like Tris Coffin) made many appearances they didn't make appearances as the same character. [[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 08:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::So, relatively speaking, he's a recurring character. I see. I wonder if there's enough material to write an article about him? The only other place I ever saw him was in ''[[Horse Feathers]]''. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 08:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:: I don't know about more info on Tead. IMDb would have some info. Sterling Holloway made two appearances as Uncle Oscar so I'm going to list him as a recurring character. Miss Bacharach was a receptionist at the Daily Planet and I believe she made 2-3 very minor appearances but she still qualifies as a recurring character. I'm going to list her too. If you know of any other recurring roles on the show, list them. The roles should have at least two appearances on the show to qualify as a recurring character. It doesn't matter if different actors played the role. [[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 08:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Do you recall the ''Horse Feathers'' role played by Phil Tead? As regards other TAOS "recurring" characters, the only one that comes to mind is "Professor Lucerne" who I think appeared in two consecutive color episodes as an "old friend" of Superman who never appeared before or after. Herb Vigran and Ben Welden probably had more guest appearances as villains than anyone, but always as different villains. The king of the guest appearances would have to be Steve Carr, who was in nearly every one of the first 26 episodes. Nepotism at its best. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 08:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: Yes, about the nepotism. LOL. Also, you're right about Lucerne. I'll look up the actor and include him as a recurring character. Also, can you think of ANY element, theme, motif, character, etc. that was ''original'' with the TV show and made its way permanently into the Superman mythology or appeared later in movies, comics, books, animated series, etc.? For instance, if a character made his ''first appearance'' in the television series and later appeared in one of the Superman movies or the animated series, it should be included in this article as an Influence or Impact sort of thing. [[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 09:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: Also, I'm not sure about Wiki's policy on this, but I have no problem with "expanding" episode summaries in the Episode List. I have several favorite episodes that I would like to "elaborate upon" but I'm not sure if the episodes merit a separate, "stand-alone" article. Expanding the episode summary should be sufficient. I'm wondering about including "goofs" as well. In the "Haunted Lighthouse" episode, for example, Aunt Louisa's shadow can be seen on the backdrop of ocean and sky in the very first scene. I think that should be mentioned in the summary of the episode but I'm not sure how Wiki deals with such info. [[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 09:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::As far as I know, Insp. Henderson first appeared in the TV series and was later added to the comics. Someone would have to check the sources to be sure. As far as "goofs", there's a ton of them on this site, take your pick: [http://www.glasshousepresents.com/Bloopers.htm] It's a fan site, but it seems to be a pretty good one. The owner seems to be acquainted with some of the surviving stars. There are all kinds of references to shadows on backgrounds, visible boom mikes, obvious doubles, flubbed lines, etc., some of which are a bit nitpicky, but some jump right out at you from watching the shows. As far as individual episodes, it all depends on whether there's enough material. A paragraph describing the plot (in place of the pilfered one-liner that's in there now) would be a good starting place. Spinoff articles are questionable because, unlike ''Star Trek'', for example, they haven't had mountains of prose written about them. I wrote the first go-round of "Panic in the Sky", which I considered notable because other series' remade it. I didn't put it in a separate article, though, someone else did that. I've got several favorite episodes also, of course. "Beware the Wrecker" is one of them, which is why I recognized that one frame even though it's not labeled. I'd recommend giving it a start and seeing where it goes. The cautionary note is that this duplicates info that is available on fan sites, and sooner or later someone might point that out and/or cry "original research" if it's not sufficiently source. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 09:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Wow! That's great about Henderson! So he didn't appear in previous materials about Superman and then went on after his appearance in the TV show to be included in comics or other materials. That's good. That should be written up for this article. The show (or one feature of the show) had an influence on the overall Superman mythology. It should be included here. Do some searching around to confirm it and include it in a "Influence" or "Impact" subsection. The section has a specific place in the article. I'll check the WP guide. I'll look around too. Also, new to writing about television shows is a section called "Fandom". Are there any fan clubs, fan newsletters, discussion groups, fan sites SPECIFICALLY about the television show? Any during the show's first run? Any fan materials during the first run like premiums? Could one write-in to the show to get something like toys, books, photos? Did Reeves photo as Superman appear on anything like cereal boxes, toys, etc.? That info can be included in this article. The section "Fandom" has a certain place in an article. I'll create the section then include any you have. [[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 10:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Don't go too far down that "Fandom" road, or you'll have users like Overjoyed attacking it as "fancruft". [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 10:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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"Fandom" is now a legitimate section in a TV article per WP. The Guide to writing TV articles was revised (I think) yesterday or the day before. The Fandom section should not include statements like "This is my favorite episode ..." or "I think the show was one of the best ...". State facts like "XYZ has a TAOS fan club which publishes a monthly newsletter." Also, expansion of episode summaries is permitted (below at 3.). I will include some real world info and goofs at the very end of my summaries when I get a chance. Here's WP guidelines on episode summaries: |
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'''Episode listing:''' |
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* A good plot description covering major story arcs is much more important than a list of episodes. For most TV shows, creating separate articles for each and every episode is not desired (see the previous discussion on this). Expansion of episodic information should be proportional to the series' noteworthiness, and progress as follows: |
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* 1. A short list of episodes is sometimes appropriate in the main article. The list should be a table with the episode title, airdate, and a one- or two-sentence summary. |
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* 2. The list of episodes can be moved to a separate page when it grows too large for the main article. Please follow the conventions of our Lists of episodes TaskForce. A good example of an episode list is List of Firefly episodes. |
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* 3. The main episode list can be split further grouped by season (24 (season 3)) to allow room for longer episode summaries and production information. A summary of the season's main story points should be included as an introduction. |
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* 4. Individual episodes which are particularly noteworthy can be split from the season lists into their own pages. |
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The List of Adv. of Superman episodes is now at #2 (roughly) and can be carried to level #3. Once the list is carried to level #3, individual episodes can then be worked-off into stand-alone articles. |
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A Fandom subsection and an Influence subsection has been added to the article under the "Reception" section. I've included a bit about Henderson to be expanded as time permits. Go for it! |
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[[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 10:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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A quick check of the internet suggests Henderson was originated by the radio writers. The radio version had a lot of influence also. I think radio is where kryptonite originated, for example. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 10:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Both pieces of information can be included in this article. Note about Henderson's origin in radio can be included in the "Characters" section and the Kryptonite in the "Themes" section. I'll make notes now but if you find more information or something that refutes either notes, edit as needed. Was Pepperwinkle original to the TV show? Did he later appear in movies or comics? If so, can be included here. [[User:TimmyTruck|TimmyTruck]] ([[User talk:TimmyTruck#top|talk]]) 11:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:I don't know that I have enough information to fill all your wants and needs here. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 15:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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== Superman locations == |
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As a fan of "Andy Griffith", I think you've already picked up on the fact that the 1951 "Superman" episodes included many shots that were on the same (since-demolished) backlot that was later used for the Griffith show. There is, or at least was, once a website that pinpointed the various buildings that were used between the two shows. Regarding that seemingly mundane shot of Lois and Jimmy exiting the Carnation Building - that was along Wilshire Boulevard, a couple of blocks east of the Wilson Building, which was the wide-angle stand-in for the Planet building that year and which still exists. A subtlety about the Carnation shot is that it was ''outside''. There were lots of exteriors in the first 26 episodes. As the series progressed, more and more of it was on soundstages. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 21:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:I assigned it to the episodes page and removed the tag. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 04:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC) |
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