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Hamzah Mohammed

hi there, my name is hamzah mohammed and i am kindly asking you if you could please stop deleting my article about 'Hamzah Mohammed'. When you earlier deleted my article, i agree that it contained irrelevant information, but I was testing to see if it worked. However, I am now going to create a more relevant article relating to Hamzah Mohammed.

Thankyou Very Much

Yours Faithfully

Capo Hamzah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capo Hamzah (talk • contribs) 19:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Jocelyn

Dear Nancy,

  THANKS FOR THE COMMENT ON MY PAGE!  

Jocelyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jocelynf (talk • contribs) 19:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

baby j page deleted

hiya, the page that i made earlier about the music producer baby j has been deleted by you because of copyright issues? you found the same text on a website (abstract sounds, Baby J's record label) which is the text that i also used for this article. Baby J is my boss and i wrote the text, so i havnt commited any copyright offence? any chance i could have the page reinstated please? or can you advise me on what to do? thanks, emily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babyj333 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Emily. Wikipedia's copyright requirements are quite strict and it is not quite enough for you to say that you wrote the original, it also has to be proven that there is permission to release the original text - this is because anything that is written on Wikipedia has to be released under GFDL which basically means that it is available for anyone to use anywhere they like either as posted or changed as they wish. There are two ways to confirm to us that the text has been released:

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on the Baby J site the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article/page, and I release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later." This will mean removing the existing copyright.

or

Obtain written confirmation that the text has been released to GFDL which should be forwarded to the email address "permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org"

To be honest, in this instance I think that it would actually be easier to rewrite the content in your own words rather than jumping through all the copyright hoops. A word of warning though, even if the new article is not a copyvio then it may still be removed unless it meets our policies for notability of musicians and is properly sourced. Also as you are closely associated with Baby J you may want to leave it for someone who may have a more neutral perspective to write the article - if Baby J meets the notability requirement then it surely won't be long before someone does just that. Good luck with which ever way you decide to take this & hope to see you contributing to other articles in the future too. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 20:03, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I took that Photo!!!

I took the photo u gave me a warning for!!!!!! I took it on my mobile phone!!!! It is mine, and not copyrighted!!!!! It is 100% by me, therefore u had no right to try and delete it!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris4925 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

No one is disputing whether you took the photo or not. The message on your page refers to my tagging the article (not the image) St.Albans Abbey Photo for speedy deletion as it was clearly a test page and as opposed to an encyclopaedic article. In the future you may want to take a little more time to read the text of comments left on your talk page as it will prevent you jumping to hasty and incorrect conclusions. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 20:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Ha

Thanks for editing that Sharon to Rachel on the Fosca Painted page! I remember I was listening to Russell Brand's radio show at the time and his stylist Sharon was talking... Silly me. Dazzak (talk) 02:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Kilglass village

Hi, Nancy. I have placed a comment on Talk:Kilglass which might interest you. Perhaps you would like to add a comment yourself? -- Picapica (talk) 15:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

List of rabbis

Please be advised that these people are quite notable (even though you don't know them). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.129.97.254 (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

We've been here before haven't we and I don't see that anything has changed in the interim. Please desist from the edit war you are engaging in or risk the possibility of being blocked; a more productive and constructive alternative would be to take the advice other editors have given you and engage in dialogue on the talk page. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 21:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I have references. there's NOTHING you can do.

Sorry, I have constructive REFERENCES and EVIDENCE. there's NOTHING you can "DO". Goodbye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elijah2005 28 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Well now. A reliable source citing that John Lennon now boils in a boiling vat of lava is something I would be truly interested in seeing. But seriously, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not somewhere for you to promote your own unique world view, and as it happens, there is something I can do which is to block you from editing, something which I will have no hesitation in doing if you carry on. nancy ^(talk) 13:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

My page being deleted

Hi! Im user Jingle111111 and you dleted some of my pages which were gonna actually be in a quiz about me in the end so pls dont delete them again it is not nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jingle111111 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jingle and welcome. The reason your pages got deleted is that we are here to build an encyclopaedia, not create quizzes about ourselves. If you want to create a quiz how about hopping over to somewhere like bebo or myspace - that's where quizzes belong. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 20:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Article does not appear at friends or when I deleted my browsers cache (and not logged in)

Hallo Nancy,

today I created an article about Coinside - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinside

I have now the following problems: - when somebody else want to see the page then the article does not exists - when i am not logged in or when i deleted my browsers cache then the article does not exists

Could you please tell me the reason for it?

Thomas (ts1977) — Preceding unsigned comment added by tsb1977 (talk • contribs)

Good morning Thomas. What a strange problem. The article is definitely there and has never been deleted so that's nothing to do with it however the name is familiar to me - did you create it recently under a different user & perhaps spelled slightly differently? - I have been through my deletion logs and can't see it but perhaps it was someone else who deleted it so maybe you are looking under a different spelling? Are you trying to access it using the URL or are you searching from within Wikipedia? Is it still happening this morning? Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 07:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Nancy, thanks for your reply. Actually I am working in France and today, I used the purge function (Wikipedia:Purge) to refresh the page. It worked now here with my computer, even when I am not logged in. However my friend in Germany could not see the page. He had to use the purge function as well in order to see it. But he just used the search function for the article, and again, the page was not available. He purged again and it worked.

I am afraid that other users from other countries might have the same problems. Is it connected with the wiki-architecture?— Preceding unsigned comment added by tsb1977 (talk • contribs)

Thomas, I am afraid I am completely stumped - it seems to defy all logic! May I suggest that you try posting the question at the helpdesk as there are people there who know an awful lot more about the technical mechanics than I do and who may have an answer. I do hope you get it resolved, kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 21:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete my page?

Why did you delete my page?! You are very mean and dictorial. I was creating a page for my friend so would you like someone to delete you page of denial.I,m sorry you felt that the Wikipedia needs true facts about things but that was a true paragraph.If you think my facts or opinions arent true just leave it alone.Don,t act like you don,t know what I,m talking about you did this March 29,2008.I,m trying to convince my friend that she is famous no matter what.Just leave me the hell alone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StarDeshay (talk • contribs) 17:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi there StarDeshay. I think you should listen to your friend - she's right, she's not famous and that is why the article was deleted as it did not show why she was notable enough for Wikipedia. When she is famous then she might qualify for an article but until then you'd be much better off using a personal website to promote her. Good luck & kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 17:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing tags

Hi Nancy: I removed your tag because that is what the help page of wiki instructed me to do to save my page from deletion. I assumed it was the same with editorial suggestions.

If you have specific suggestions, I welcome these. Otherwise, the comment "essay-like" doesn't really help me out very much in terms of constructive criticism.

Any suggestions are most appreciated.

Thanks, Blueelectricstorm (talk) 23:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello Blueelectricstorm. I think that you may have slightly mis-interpreted the intructions on the help page & missed out the step before removing the tag - that is, that the issue flagged in the tag should be fixed first! Clicking on the wikilinks within the tag will lead you to a standard explanation but specifically with this article the issue is the style and tone of the article which is not encyclopaedic and reads more like a term paper or essay, it also appears to reflect a very particular viewpoint and sections of it read like original research. Particularly troublesome is the second half of the second paragraph. Encyclopaedic articles cannot talk about "time immemorial" or "the great irony of globalisation" and statements such as "these economic arrangements should be seen not as..." need to be counterbalanced with the opposing view, not presented as objective fact. The problems continue right down to the External links section where you describe one of the links as an eloquent critique, again this is not appropriate language for an encyclopaedia calling it a critique is fine but the word eloquent is your own subjective opinion. These are by no means the only problems I have just picked out a few examples to try an help you see what needs changing. On the plus side you have done a great job with the references so I have every confidence that you will reference the other side of the argument equally well. There is a really good help page on improving articles which you might find worth a visit - I certainly found it jolly useful when I was starting out. Good luck! kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 08:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Dauverne

Thanks Nancy (for not removing the rest)!

As you sure understand I'm new to Wiki - need some time adjusting to rules etc. I use Wikipedia every day and love it. Thought the time had come for me to contribute as well.

Now understand that copy & paste is not how to go about (even if my articles was written by myself) ;-)

Best,

Ole (in Norway) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ojtrumpet (talk • contribs) 16:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Transformation of culture

Hi Nancy: I re-read the style manual and feel that I have addressed the particular concerns you raised. Can I remove the flag now? Take a look. My only gripe with the constant criticism of this body of work is that when you go to pages such as globalization or indigenous peoples there is a very clear indication that the articles were not written with the viewpoints of Native peoples in mind. Especially the globalization page where it refers to a global culture and other such drivel and provides no cites to literature of work in this area. Also the indigenous peoples page, especially the section discussing indigenous vs. non-indigenous viewpoints is pitiful. I'm sorry to sound negative, but I can't believe that there are actually people in the world who believe that indigenous people arrived after non-indigenous to North America. It's amazing to me that this page or section is allowed to remain.

This is why I feel that this work needs to be included in the body of knowledge. Not only are cultures (especially languages and the ideas along with them) getting lost every day, but once this diversity is gone it is essentially impossible to recover it to bring it to the vast array of human knowledge once more. It is just very sad to me. For instance, I am from Alaska and I just read a couple of months ago in the paper that the last native Eyak speaker died. The loss of language is not only a loss for the people who come from that tradition, it is a loss to humanity, as each language holds particular ideas and concepts unique to that worldview.

I will continue to add to the page for the next month or so, but please be patient. I do appreciate your constructive criticism and will do whatever I can to bring it into compliance with Wiki standards.

Thanks again,

Blueelectricstorm (talk) 01:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I have waited a day or so before I replied to see how your revision of the article progressed as when I initially looked you seemed only to have changed the specific examples I highlighted. I just looked back again and whilst you have added some more content there seems to be little progress on the original text so I am afraid that, in my opinion, the issues have not yet been properly addressed and I would argue that the maintenance tags should remain.

I have sympathy with your comments about the cultural bias in e.g. Globalisation but I think that the place to address this is within the Globalisation article itself rather than adding a counter-balancing article elsewhere. In addition your comments on WP:RFF add to rather than quell my concerns as you quite openly signpost the bias of Transformation of culture stating that that the article encompasses the work of Prof. Robert Hershey because I felt that this body of work deserved its own page. Whilst it is right that you should point out the lack of neutrality in other articles the answer is not to create a slanted article of your own - two wrongs don't make a right. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 18:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

TalkBack

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Deletion Review for GONG (online game)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of GONG (online game). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Tikiwont (talk) 14:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Hamzah Mohammed

you deleted my page, and now you will pay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capo Hamzah (talk • contribs) 13:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that (now you will pay) made me laugh a lot. You are doing a great job, Nancy, and I wish you the best.--andreasegde (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Camp Minsi

I was wondering why the the article Camp Minsi was deleted? What can be done to restore it? Thank you. Minsi (talk) 23:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. It was deleted as the outcome of a deletion discussion was a consensus to delete. Subsequently it was userfied to User:Evrik/Camp Minsi to allow the author to work on it and address the concerns in the article however when the article was recreated in mainspace yesterday it was substantively the same as the deleted article and was therefore deleted under the speedy deletion criteria G4 - recreation of deleted material. If you want to create an article on Camp Minsi a good place to start would be to read the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Minsi as without addressing the reasons for which the article was originally deleted it will continue to be summarily deleted under G4 each time you create it. Very best of luck, kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 06:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Za Ze Zo

Sorry Nancy, but I think it is rated well enough for current inclusion, and certainly has features better than many to warrant it. I am impartial too - no links to it. It is listed at DMOZ the main external link on the wiki metasearch page. Give them all a try. It's one of the quickest on the list. That is important. Others have other features that are important. Some are not important. I'm sorry, but Za Ze Zo needs to be listed based on speed. Please revert your change. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Optimizerone (talk • contribs) 07:51, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello Optimizerone and welcome. I am not going to undelete the article as it failed most basic of criteria required as it did not say why Za Ze Zo is notable. I have however copied it to your userspace so that you can work on it and bring it up to standard before creating it in mainspace again. You can find the copy in your sandbox - User:Optimizerone/Sandbox. I would recommend that you take some time to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's guidelines, particularly those on notability and reliable sources both of which you will need to address within your article. Good luck and kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 08:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Optimizerone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Optimizerone (talk • contribs) 08:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

'ndrine

Is Wikipedia now allowing incorrect spelling? The plural of 'ndrina is 'ndrine, not 'ndrinas. I am afraid I have to insist that 'ndrinas has to be deleted. - Mafia Expert (talk) 09:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

You are slightly missing the point of a redirect - incorrect spelling in a redirect is absolutely permissable as it exists to pick up instances where a reader is trying to find an article but is spelling it incorrectly. e.g. Shakespear redirects to the correctly spelled Shakespeare and so on. This does not mean that Wikipedia is endorsing the incorrect spelling but is merely an acknowledgment that people mistype and make mistakes. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 10:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:TODO

I appreciate you for deleting it. Its always nice to have you handy admins around. Cheers, Nothing444 15:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate you for saying thank you - makes a welcome change from the usual "Why did you delete my page" that I get here. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 15:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually I didn't create it. I just put it up for speedy deletion. Nothing444 17:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Play

hello! i was wondering why the article or dab (not sure which it was) Play was deleted. surely this wasn't intentional. please advise. --emerson7 20:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi there Emerson7, Play was deleted under the "Housekeeping" criteria which is used when we need to temporarily delete articles to allow a page move to take place. In this specific case the deletion of Play (which was a redirect page) was requested so that Play (disambiguation) could be moved there, if you check again now, you will see that since you left your message the move has been performed. Kind regards, nancy ^(talk) 07:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Knowledge should be available

Hi Nancy, I respect your comments and appreciate your feedback. However, I feel that this page still deserves to exist, and I will continue to add to it in the ensuing days and weeks. Although you may feel that it is "essay-like", I have included references for all of the points made, which are not only one person's point of view. There are many authors and scholars who have contributed to this body of knowledge.

Although you may feel that it is not "neutral", I have included a new section on Western Culture and the transformations that are occuring there. Please feel free to watch this page and if there is anything that you disagree with or would like to see changed, feel free to make your thoughts known.

Also, regarding the personal reflection comment, I don't really understand how you can consider this a personal reflection as there are no comments that are personal in the writing. I did take out the word "eloquent" and will continue to review and edit to make the language more neutral. There is still a lot of work that I will contribute to this page, including how technological advances have (and continue to) transform cultures worldwide. Please be patient and understand that this is a work in progress. Also, when I mentioned that this is the work of a Prof., I in no way meant to imply that these thoughts and feelings are unique to him. What I meant was that he was the one that really developed the references for the work. The thoughts and ideas presented by him are not "new" and do not constitute "original research".

Again, thank you for your input, and if you have specific comments or concerns, feel free to leave those for me on my talk page.

Thanks, Blueelectricstorm (talk) 21:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

what

you deleted my stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eppmur divad (talk • contribs) 22:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Equal Parenting Alliance

Hi there,

I created a page for the Equal Parenting Alliance in order that I could link to it from the Wolverhampton Council election 2008 page. The reason I created the page was so that there were no dead links within the Wolverhampton Council election 2008 page, and obviously because the political party in question has fielded candidates both in the past and has candidates for the forthcoming election.

I'm not a regular Wikipedian, but I can't understand why a political party that fields multiple candidates in UK elections would have it's page deleted.

I carry no torch for the political party in question and as such I am not bothered about whatever benefits, perceived or otherwise, they would get from being on Wikipedia. I am, however, concerned that a page I have legitimately built has disappeared so quickly, and seemingly unilaterally.

A cursory glance at my editing history would have shown that I have put a huge amount of effort into the Wolverhampton local elections section of Wikipedia, and the page I built today links out of one of those pages.

I would be most grateful if you could reinstate the page, with sources, that I built.

Carl Husted

Hustedcarl (talk) 00:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Good Morning Carl, I am not going to undelete the article at this time as I am sure that it would be speedily deleted again fairly rapidly. I will however copy the text in to your userspace so that you can work on it to address the reasons for its original deletion. You will find the deleted text at User:Hustedcarl/Sandbox. The things you really need to work on are making sure that the EPA reaches the notability requirements for organisations and that this is backed up with reliable sources. If you should like me to review the revise copy before you put it back in mainspace I'd be more than happy. Kind regards and the very best of luck, nancy ^(talk) 07:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Move

Thanks for moving A Tale of Sisters. I appreciate it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 12:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem :) nancy ^(talk) 14:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

About Tim Cantor page

Hi Nancy, I have been doing my best to get the page up for Tim Cantor. I have studied his career for a long time now and have no doubt that his life is worthy of being listed in wikipedia. I would like any advice on how to resolve the issues listed. Thank you very much, Harry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.136.227.30 (talk) 03:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Not sure who to reply to - you left the message as an anon user but I am guessing that you are the person who has been editing as User:ProfessorHarrison.

Anyway... to the task in hand. Firstly I have replaced the mainenance tags on the article - it is still riddled with problems and needs to be tagged as such - this is not a comment on with you or Tim Cantor, it is just an indication that the article does not (yet) comply with Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Leaving aside potential conflict of interest issues the most urgent issue to be addressed is the whole style and tone of the article which is unencyclopaedic and still extremely promotional in tone; I would recommend firstly severely cutting back on the number of pictures in the article (as a comparison there are over twice as many pictures as in Rembrandt's or Picasso's!!). By all means have examples of Tim's work but these should be carefully chosen to have relevance to the text and to illustrate a point - at the moment it just looks like a promotional gallery website. With regard to the tone and style of the text itself I would start by getting rid of the personal opinions and claims e.g "Tim Cantor became obsessed with painting and showed a unique understanding." - says who?, what does it mean?, what is a "unique understanding"? - that sort of language is fine for his personal website or an exhibition catalogue but is really not suitable for an encyclopaedia.

The easiest way to approach this is probably to pare the whole thing down to the essential facts and then start building it up again using reliable sources - you will also need these to establish his notability as this is far from clear at the moment. I would be more than happy to help - 'saving' articles from deletion is something I have a good track record in, however this will require you to let go and approach the process dispassionately.

Finally I am concerned about the copyright status of the many images of Tim Cantor's work that you have uploaded. You claim to be the copyright holder so I can only presume that you are in fact Tim Cantor himself? Do you realise that by releasing them to the public domain you have given anyone anywhere the right to use those images as they wish - e.g. they could issue a print series, put them on coffee mugs, whatever and you would have no control over it and would have no rights to any revenue and no rights to any attribution. Is this really something you are comfortable with? nancy ^(talk) 08:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Tim Cantor info

Hi Nancy, Thank you so much for all of your help. I am going to continue to follow your advice, beginning with the copyright information you gave me. That is scary. The only thing I think I cannot fix is the conflict of interest. I volunteer at Ashby Galleries, which is more like a museum gallery, and is owned by Tim Cantor. I now somewhat know him personally, but was a great admirer of his work long before I met him. Besides that, I will do my best to continue to fix all the other issues. It's actually a lot of fun and thank you again for all of your helpful advice. Hopefully I will get this all figured out. -Harry Teague.