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pilots call for reopening investigation

• Is this deliberately or accidently excluded?  — Xiutwel ♫☺♥♪ (speech has the power to bind the absolute) 14:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

• Here is some info about that, maybe this really important info should be included.

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=6849

• '  Done' 84.177.186.91 (talk) 15:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• • yap deliberately.

84.177.221.90 (talk) 13:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed It was a blatant copyvio. --Elliskev 16:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Please add following picture to the NTL press conference section:

• Here is the link: http://www.freedomofinfo.org/images/ray_bowyer_web.jpg

or some other realated photo please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.177.227.181 (talk) 21:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Russia military research

Russia held a 13 years sky observation study, using it's HUGE standing army, as part of regular orders for everybase they had. that's a huge land mass. and in those 13 years, the KGB who initated the study) di not find anything unexplainable. And without the CIA driven misinformation for covert crafts, the russian people never got the franzy of UFO sightings. Is this main hypothesis, and the mentioning of the russian research in the article? (It's just too convoluted for me..).--Procrastinating@^talk2me 23:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Rebellion

Seen all material here, elsewhere. Will alien contact trigger a world wide rebellion ? 205.240.144.195 (talk) 07:29, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

IF you turned on the tele, got on the 'net, turned on the sqawk box, got the paper, etc., and saw UFOs all over the place, what would YOU do ? 205.240.144.195 (talk) 07:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

This page really isn't for general discussion of the topic of UFOs. --clpo13_(talk) 07:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Given the kind of shit going on here, IF there is contact, all hell will break loose. 205.240.144.226 (talk) 18:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thats just a stupid assumption.

If we had gotten cantact with intelegent life from other stars they would most likely do anything in their power not to cause more damage that there allready is. If they make contact, they will have a good reason for it, and a good intention. --Nabo0o (talk) 10:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

So you are accepting that there hasn't been contact yet? Skeptic2 (talk) 13:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

New entry in "Popular UFO Hypotheses" ?

I found this article:

Going Green: The Cryptobotanical Hypothesis

It is a little bit old (from January 2008) and it has been re-posted in other UFO blogs. So does it make it a candidate for a new entry in the "Popular UFO Hypotheses" section ?

Unforgiven666 (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I find it odd and strange to believe that Gaia and mushrooms have much to do with UFO phenomena. I did a quick skim of the referenced article and do not believe mushrooms have much to do with UFOs, crop circles or cattle mutilations. Most reputable UFO sightings do not involve the use of mushrooms. Most UFO witnesses are every day folk who experienced something paranormal.

This is my first post here so I hope I did this right.

```` MDaisy —Preceding unsigned comment added by MDaisy (talk • contribs) 16:46, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

MDaisytalk —Preceding comment was added at 17:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, most hipotheses sound weird to me but it does not mean they should not be mentioned in the article.

(BTW MDaisy use four ~ insted of four ` - same key but with SHIFT pressed. Have a nice day)

Unforgiven666 (talk) 17:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding picture of the kenneth arnold sighting

How about you folks upload a picture of the kenneth arnold sighting?

• '  Done' 84.177.208.146 (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

And deleting all credible pictures for dubious reasons won't change the fact that it happened. Some of you guys behave like "deletion freaks". Wikipedia does NOT censor...now does it?! well...at least not officially.

Wikipedia becomes more and more a ridicolous "hardcore skeptic" encyclopedia. The point of view is not neutral anymore...rather biased. Some folks here always want to find reasons for deleting pictures and information...just to delete whole sections.

KEEP WIKI UNCENSORED!!!! 84.177.221.90 (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Damn right. It will NOT tolorate criticisim of SKEPTICS at all. See the UFO Watchdog controversy on the Paranormal Project's Talk Page, Philip Klass's talk page. The matter criticising the Holy Klass is on www.ufowatchdog.com, "Hall of Shame 1, 7th on the list. Ignore the joke there, click on the underlined links there. 205.240.144.198 (talk) 05:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The mystery airship photo

The caption for tho photo says "Photo of a purported UFO over New Hampshire in 1870; known as the mystery airship". Should the word "purported" be there - No one (to my knowledge) knows what is is, so it IS a UFO? It seems the phrase UFO is often confused to mean a spaceship. :) Fran (talk) 20:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Major changes

I made some major changes to this article. The biggest change was peeling off most of the 'Research' section and adding it to the Ufology article. I also placed some ugly, but needed {{prose}} tags throughout. --Elliskev 18:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• i see your so called "changes" rather as another try to censor the truth here. best example: the second try to censor the NTL press club story. it STAYS there.period. stop censoring the truth! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.177.246.166 (talk) 22:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Relax. I mentioned the removal of the NTL press club thing up above (#pilots call for reopening investigation). I removed it because it was a cut-and-paste from another source. That's plagiarism. Rewrite and cite it and I have no problem with it. --Elliskev 23:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

stop deleting every single useful and pro UFO information and links. you call that "useful" i call it CENSORING and BIASED! you can't be serious that the government or military is the "only serious source" for this topic here. to clarify: i'm also a little bit skeptic about this topic, but what you do here is clearly censoring. let the people decide for their OWN what to make of this information they find here. i want to keep this topic UNbiased...with pros and cons...and NOT only with cons. you DON'T decide what the people should believe and what not. you might be a "hardcore skeptic" but others might be a little bit more open. I would understand it, if you actually Rewrite the information given into a shorter version but still include all necessary information. but deleting whole pro ufo information sections and all pro ufo links is censoring and NOT cleaning up. m2c. 84.177.233.126 (talk)

i agree with you, looking at the history makes the actions of the above member appear a lil' suspicious. anyway, i think we can keep the current version as it is. all pros and cons are listed. same applies to the links: we have pro and con links...THIS is what _I_ call unbiased and uncensored. btw: we already had a major cleanup and trimming a few months ago when one looks at the history. so yes, the current version you rewrote a lil' is nice and unbiased. thank you for your efforts :-) . we need more people like you at wiki. 79.233.77.240 (talk) 09:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

79.233.77.240 was me...wasn't logged in. AnubisGodfather<sup>T</sup><sub>©</sub> 09:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph Is Too Skeptical Considering the Evidence

Although it's obvious that hoaxes and explainations need to be mentioned, it's missing any mention of "official" UFO reports which even extreme skeptics can't deny. For example, the 1976 Tehran UFO Incident. This is one of several incidents in which the "object" apparently disabled some sort of electrical system (IE it's consistant with other reports). In this particular case, weapons were disabled right before they would have been fired. This is beyond even the type of technology we can currently imagine. Thus, unless you believe that even "official" military cases like this are completely made up (which would be extremely POV as it goes against strong evidence) then the ACTUAL EXISTENCE of these "things" as something beyond hoaxes and swamp gas NEEDS to be mentioned. To be specific, it should be mentioned that there are "official" cases of objects which, by our current standards, appear to be actual physical craft (not hoaxes or misidentification) yet defy all technological explaination. I think that's a fair description, and I don't think something this important should be buried in a giant article that only "UFO nuts" are going to read. The opening is currently quite "official policy" POV. It shouldn't be POV; it should be based on reality. There was also the "Disclousure Project", in which something like 400 FBI, NSA, CIA, NASA, high ranking military officals, pilots, radar operators, and other people "in the know" decided to have an "semi-official disclosure" on knowledge about UFOs not being terrestrial. The very fact that something this big didn't make front page news, even as "the largest hoax in history", essentially proves that there is some kind of repression. When does something become "official", or stop being a "conspiracy theory"? If you're living in China, the "Tiananmen Square" incident would be a conspiracy theory. Despite the previously mentioned "disclosure event" by MANY high ranking people in official government and military positions, UFOs are still thought of as something to mocked. This ain't right. 99.246.109.131 (talk) 07:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of China, I recently added the info on the 11th century Chinese official Shen Kuo and his recording of eyewitness accounts in several medieval Chinese cities of a questionable flying object.--Pericles of Athens<sup>Talk</sup> 18:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Phoneix reports

I see that Drudgereport headlined the story after I reverted it. The fact remains the pictures linked to, mainstream as they are, are not in focus and are of camera motion. I have driven the deserts around Phoenix, and there is an airforce range there towards Organ Pipe Cactus national monument. If the air force were to say, fly a few planes with red lights and not tell anyone right away, why do we have to jump and put obvious nonsense into the encyclopaedia the same day? Wikipedia is to lean towards sane explanations, which in this case there are plenty possible, but none reported as of yet. We should just wait. Jok2000 (talk) 20:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

it's NOT "obvious nonsense" that's just your OWN point of view. the reader shall dicide by him or herself what to make outta' it. just because YOU think it's "nonsense" doesn't mean that it actually is. the military and government also claimed that the former phoenix lights were "nonsense"...yet, not everybody believes this. don't bring your own point of view in here. SomeUsr (talk) 20:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It's no point of view. It is a scientific analysis of the photos presented. I would like to point out the WP:3RR to you, and I am performing my last for they day on your change. You appear to be a WP:SOCK and WP:SPA. Jok2000 (talk) 20:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

pls cite the source for your so called "scientific analysis". SomeUsr (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(above from SomeUsr, I think)

Here is the analysis of the 2 events in 1997: [1]

and here are the first cool-headed examinations of the most recent: [2]

Jok2000 (talk) 20:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

this source is NOT neutral, pls find a neutral, credible and serious source and not some kind of skeptic blog. additionally we're ONLY talking about the CURRENT event.

read here about blogs as "sources": WP:SPS SomeUsr (talk) 20:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Consensus?

let's do it this way: if you find me a serious and unbiased source were it's proven that the latest phoenix light are "not clear (let's say it like this...)" then i'm willing to agree that we leave it out. and don't forget: no blogs...i won't use blogs either.

otherwise i suggest we take the current news link provided and leave it in the article. SomeUsr |  Talk Contribs 22:52, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, i did my part on providing even more news sources:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352156,00.html

or here: http://news.ktar.com/index.php?nid=6&sid=814826

now it's up to you to at least find similar credible and unbiased sources who say it's "nonsense" so we can exclude it. let us both work towards a consensus. SomeUsr |  Talk Contribs 08:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Consensus reached: See Jok's talkpage SomeUsr |  Talk Contribs 18:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, what I believe to be road-flares on balloons, wrong as I may be, just don't excite me enough to argue about them. Jok2000 (talk) 19:11, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Renamed "modern reports" to "Pre modern reports"

...to prevent confusion. If these are seen as PRE modern reports we should rename that section properly to prevent confusion. SomeUsr |  Talk Contribs 22:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably a good idea. It should have been obvious, though, that a brand new case from 2008 (and uninvestigated at that) had no place in a section speaking strictly of cases before 1947. That's why I deleted it. Dr Fil (talk) 20:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Skeptic-pedia

I thought Wikipedia is neutral. The UFO article reads like it was complying with the Robertson Panel. Just read it. 205.240.144.226 (talk) 02:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Those nuts need to be reigned in, or the sheeple will know that we've invited humanity over for dinner. 205.240.144.226 (talk) 02:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Love those "Mc-Human milk shakes" and those "nuts". 205.240.144.226 (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Need some humor to lighten the mood HERE. 205.240.144.226 (talk) 02:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome, please enjoy a nice journey on our planet :) I thought that you believe in both relativism and relativity -one non-neutral article doesn't mean the other 2 or 10 are the same.

If you know about the subject -and it's obvious that you do, please help us fix the problematic points you referred to. Make sure to not replace a potential POV (point of view) with another. Please note that some editors may disagree with your edits and that is why everyone can use this page to discuss every disputed change. Also, make sure your edits respect Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Verifiability and a few guidelines. Good luck. -- FayssalF - <sup>Wiki me up®</sup> 03:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

advocates

Too many ETH believers are cited with names and held positions. Almost no non-believers excluding Hawking are cited. This is not a neutral document. Most of the scientists are against this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.235.21 (talk) 14:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Include UFO in title

I don't see any reason why the title shouldn't be "Unidentified Flying Object (UFO)". Correct me if I'm wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpc100 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

MoD secret files

I added this since this is a major and most notable aftermath of the conspiracy fights vs cover-up:1978 to 1987 eight secret files on UFO sightings were first released on May 14, 2008, to the National Archives' website by the Ministry of Defence. 200 files are set to be made public by 2012. The files are correspondence from the public sent to government officials, such as the MoD and Margaret Thatcher. The information can be downloaded[3]. The MoD released the files due to requests from UFO buffs and conspiracy theorists under the Freedom of Information Act.news.bbc.co.uk, Files released on UFO sightings The files included, inter alia, alien crafts flying over Liverpool and Waterloo Bridge in London.afp.google.com, The truth is out there: Britons 'spotted' UFOs, records say--Florentino floro (talk) 10:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

the language you used was quite "povish"..i corrected the problem and left ya a note. also pls see WP:NPOV SomeUsr |  Talk Contribs 11:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your correction and amendment of my edit. I am new here, in Wikipedia, despite my some contributions. I stand corrected, since this article is non-legal (I am a lawyer, and I admit that this is not my excuse for not reading the report well); and UFO is really a very hard subject. Regards. --Florentino floro (talk) 07:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

• a'right, no problem. btw: i didn't notice you're really "new" here to wiki...well then: welcome :-) SomeUsr |  Talk Contribs 12:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Government website links

Please add these links to the articles, as the information provided by these sites are from government sources. Please also distinguish the links between private and goverment sectors in the section of External links

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos

http://www.foia.cia.gov/ufo.asp

http://www.nsa.gov/ufo/

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/es/nm/ufo_1

http://msl.jpl.nasa.gov/QuickLooks/ufoQL.html

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1269166 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 02:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

http://www.telefilm.gc.ca/data/production/prod_4462.asp?lang=en&cat=tv&g=doc&y=2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 03:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

http://www.sacentral.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=54&area=2&c=53339 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 03:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

http://protocat.nla.gov.au/Record/1497182 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 03:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

http://www.shorelibraries.govt.nz/TopPicks/NewReleases/book-review.php?dbcn=b21679009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 03:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

UFO related diseases and economic disasters or cures

Please help to expand these topics related to UFOs

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=141139 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 04:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

This is nothing do with UFOs. It's about natural disasters.Skeptic2 (talk) 10:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

http://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=vQhpQZprDc0C&oi=fnd&pg=PT9&dq=unidentified+flying+objects+UFOs+diseases&ots=Yh0cHx0TcR&sig=SV9NkSjdvDavKM-WqgDjVfcG7WU

http://www.rense.com/general63/JBIS.pdf

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a749207970~db=all

Can't tell what this is about as there isn't an abstract.Skeptic2 (talk) 10:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

http://baywood.metapress.com/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,7,8;journal,4,38;linkingpublicationresults,1:103734,1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 04:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

https://dspace.lib.utexas.edu/handle/2152/397 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.59.12 (talk) 04:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The abstract for this reads like one of those spoofs put together by computer from a set of jargon words to fool the unwary editors of social journals.Skeptic2 (talk) 10:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Social Stigmas/ Family Stigmas

See article the Alien Abduction article, Re.: Aftermath. Need to add this here. 65.173.105.197 (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

People report UFOs, even really famous cases, only to get ridiculed, as persuant to the Robertson Panel recomendations, such as being called "nuts", worse, such as being delared being mentally ill, also as persuant to the Robertson Panel guidelines to prevent people from reporting UFOs. 65.173.105.197 (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Objection

I totally object to the template "WikiProject Rational Skepticism." being added to this article. If I had wanted to read about the skeptical viewpoint and see an article done in their style, I would had gone to the Skeptical Inquire. Wikipedia is not the Skeptical Inquire and also is not the playground of the Skeptics only, all are free to post articles here and they do not need to match the skeptics opinion of what an article on Paranormal should be, or the writing style that Rational Skepticism demands. I also feel that they need to get permission to add their banner before pasting it to all paranormal articles. thats my Opinion on the subject and this matter that I object to. Magnum Serpentine (talk) 21:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

From whom do you think a wikiproject should obtain permission to post a banner on this talk page? --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 21:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Why not ask the paranormal project or the first person to write the article. And before you seek permission, ask yourself this question... Why are you putting the Skepticism banner on a project? Is it to change the article so that it lines up with the Skeptical world view? Many of the authors of these articles feels that their article are ok overall and expect the editing to be that of grammar, not content. Are you changing the article so it matches the skeptical inquirer world view? or are you changing some grammar? Magnum Serpentine (talk) 00:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Your response to my question seems to be "other wikiprojects must have the permission of one particular wikiproject to place a banner on this talk page; failing that they should have the permission of the person to write the first revision of the article." Do I have it right? If so, have you read the Wikipedia:Ownership of articles policy, sometimes referred to as WP:OWN?

I would hope that we all strive to make our articles reflect the facts and all significant opinions. Membership of a WikiProject doesn't, or shouldn't, make any difference to that. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 09:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)