Talk:4 Minutes

Music Video

You can watch the music video at http://vtornado.com/media/121/Madonna_4_Minutes_Official_Video/[1]

Does the description in the Music Video section fall into the original research category? There doesn't seem to be any references in the descriptive paragraph.Reqluce (talk) 13:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

INCORRECT LYRICS

People keep indicated that they have only got 4 minutes to "save the world" rather it's to "say the word". The latter makes more sense with the remainder of the lyrics and the video. Correction is needed in the SONG SECTION to reflect...

The song's lyrics and video suggests that both protagonists have got no more than four minutes to 'save the world', yet, the length of the song is not four minutes, but rather four minutes and four seconds.[6]

As the 'save the world' should read 'say the word'. Thanks.

--Jznoy (talk) 21:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

The length of the song is irrelevant to the songs title especially since the difference is just 4 seconds.

I addition, you are incorrect about the incorrect lyrics. I have listened closely to this song multiple times and have have checked numerous different sources that contain the lyrics. In each case, the main line is, "We only got 4 minutes to Save the World"

Here is the list of sites that show the correct lyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/4-minutes-to-save-the-world-lyrics-madonna.html [2]
http://www.mp3indirbedava.com/madonna-4-minutes-lyrics-and-video-music/2008/ [3]
http://www.justsomelyrics.com/1932654/Madonna-4-Minutes-Lyrics [4]
http://allaboutmadonna.com/2008/03/madonna-4-minutes-lyrics.php [5]
http://www.elyricsworld.com/4_minutes_lyrics_madonna.html [6]

They all show "We only got 4 minutes to Save the World" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.253.186.24 (talk) 18:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Tick-tock Website

I just found it. Put it into the video section but I'm not sure.

www.tick-tock.tv--Cliff (talk) 03:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

April

4 MINUTES MUSIC VIDEO IS NOW PREMIERING IN APRIL NOT MARCH ACCORDING TO MADONNAS CAMPS

does anyone know when the video is out???

The video is expected to premiere on iTunes on the 4th April. Check out the homepage for an advert is under Madonna Pre-order voodoorocksteady —Preceding unsigned comment added by Voodoorocksteady (talk • contribs) 21:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

AAAAAHHHHH!!!

It's NOT TIMBERLAND, IT'S TIMBALAND!!.....Notice the 'A'??

I HATE YOU LIMEWIRE!, if idiots actually bought songs, then there wouldn't be this problem.--XCheese360 (talk) 06:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It's his fault for not knowing how to spell. Yeah, I said it, Ebonics is not a real language, so sue me "Gran diddy P" or "Funkmasta Flex". 64.230.5.8 (talk) 02:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

One more thing

If the doomsday clock is at five minutes, then the song obviously isn't about the doomsday clock.--XCheese360 (talk) 06:35, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Danja

ASCAP ref says that Danja is a writer of the song, but not sure that there is a ref for saying he also co-produced the song. Anyone know?? JKW111 (talk) 00:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Also the album page says Timberlake is not a producer of this song yet this page clearly states he is (at the top) Dollvalley (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Song title

Recent reports have it published as 4 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zigthe3rd (talk • contribs) 18:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Song release date

Officila digital release of this song is March 24th, but i found that www.7digital.com is about to release Album version of "4 Minutes" in March 18th. See this link for details. The quastion is, shouldn't we digital release date change from 24th to 18th? --Digital1 (talk) 22:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, with that, it premiered in Australia today, on the Melbourne radio station, FOX FM this morning and i heard it :). --23:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Release date

Yes, iTunes are also releasing it on 18th March 2008.

Pabs1903 (talk) 23:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Chart Positions

The song isn't on any charts such as Pop 100 or Hot 100 yet so why is it listed with a blank??? iTunes UK and Dutch Downloads are constantly changing, i don't see them as valid sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmkimberley (talk • contribs) 21:23, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Specific iTunes Stores and other component charts should not be included per WP:CHARTS anyway. Placing anything here with a dash is useless, not to mention completely speculative and going against WP:CRYSTAL. You were correct to remove the whole section. - eo (talk) 21:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

This is exciting news! 4 Minutes will debut at #68! [7] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.25.143 (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I think someone should change the part where it says that the song is #2 on i-tunes, being held back by the "unbeatable" Mariah Carey song. It just sounds stupid, and it sounds like a Mariah Carey fan wrote it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.215.26.169 (talk) 19:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

i think it's better to write the references behind the charts (Iris Singles Charts....) and not behind the charts- positions.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.228.208 (talk) 11:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Chart News

This single debuted at #1 in France and Italy today. [8] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.18.255 (talk) 12:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Debuted at #1 in Norway too [9] 81.191.4.66 (talk) 20:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Chart Mistakes

IMPORTANT

The chart peaks positions are wrong.

• France - The single hasn't reached #1!! It has peaked at #2 so far! Please change this!!!
• Ireland - Nº9 on General singles chart (Top 50). http://www.irma.ie/aucharts.asp
• Spain - Nº6 on "Digital" chart. http://www.promusicae.org/listastonos/listas/Top%2020%20Week%201208.pdf
• Eurochart - Nº23 http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?f=European+Hot+100+Singles&pageNumber=Top+11-50&g=Singles
• Switzerland - The single has not yet charted in the official Top 100 singles chart! The chart that is being referred as "swiss singles chart" here is the airplay one. Please change that! The link to the official music charts of that country is> http://www.swisscharts.com

Some of the Billboard links not working, need registration.

And why a recent Madonna single is BLOCKED for all the people??

Charts

It's totally fake for exemple France on Billboard Charts. And Norway and others too !

Why are there so many examples of the song's progress on iTunes? That is only one retailer. it should be axed.Reqluce (talk) 16:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Something about iTunes

I went to iTunes to get the song, and it says that Timbaland is featured on it. Does anybody know if he is officially featured or if it is a mistake on iTunes part? Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 19:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually it does feature Timbaland at the start of the song, but it is taken out of the song for the radio edit. But in the album version it has Timbaland in it at the start, sorta like an interlude. --BatterWow (talk) 00:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the best thing to do here is to go by what is on the single cover. It's kinda like "SexyBack" - to be correct it is a solo song by Justin Timberlake, whereas "Promiscuous" specifically credits it as "Nelly Furtado featuring Timbaland". The problem I have is that iTunes is just one specific retailer... it's best to go with what is on the song sleeve and how it is listed on music charts. If the local record store at the mall has it categorized as "featuring Timbaland", that doesn't mean they are right. - eo (talk) 01:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm just saying. Every site that I went to so far credits Timbaland as featured. You have to take into consideration that lots of people that are featured aren't on the cover art. Missy Elliott's "Lose Control" is one of them. Ciara and Fatman Scoop are featured in the song, and the cover doesn't have them down. Baby Bash's "Suga Suga" featured Frankie J., but is he mentioned? No. Neither is Tiffany Villarreal/Perla Cruz & Russell Lee on his other song "Short Doowap". D.O.E. is featured on "The Way I Are", but the cover art only includes Keri Hilson. Rick Ross is featured on Flo-Rida's "Birthday" and he isn't featured on the cover art. And if you noticed, the most important part is THIS cover. It says "Madonna & Justin", but it isn't a duet. You see where I'm going? Lots of cover art doesn't have the people that are featured, but they are still featured..... Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 02:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Most sites I've seen list it as Madonna featuring Justin Timberlake, including Billboard. Listing of credits should be as released by the record company. "You're So Vain" is a Carly Simon song, not Carly Simon featuring Mick Jagger; "Money for Nothing" is a Dire Straits song, not Dire Straits featuring Sting - even though both of these artists obviously appear on these songs. It goes by official credit. On another point, even if's not a duet, yet billed with an &, that how it should be listed.--Wolfer68 (talk) 04:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Record companies and artist management negotiate for artist crediting on singles, which is exactly why Timbaland is not featured here, nor on "SexyBack" and why, for example, D.O.E. was not listed on "The Way I Are", etc., etc. It is because of these negotiations that the covers do not have the extra names listed and why the music charts — in the U.S. and elsewhere — abide by those decisions. - eo (talk) 17:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Those are all good reasons to have him not say he's featured, but another reason why I think he should stay on is that most people identify the song with Timbaland in it. I'm not trying to be bitch or even sound like a jerk, but the song, on most sites, and even on iTunes has him as a featured artist. It is the same thing with "AYO Technology". Timbaland is no where to be featured on the cover, but there is still credit given to him. Also, back to the Billboard, that reasoning to keep him off the credits is flawed. "Break It Off" was listed as a duet between Sean Paul & Rihanna, but we have it listed as featuring. Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 19:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you're being a bitch. Flawed or not, all the "featuring" stuff has to do with contractual stuff with record companies. "4 Minutes" has Timbaland all over it as he is producer, but ultimately I don't believe he should be shown here. Perhaps we can get a consensus on it? I know this was explained recently in a Billboard article, I'll try to at least find a link to that, maybe it will clear up some of the confusion. - eo (talk) 20:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, I did find this, which is basically the same idea as what I commented above. I'll keep looking for some more, if needed. - eo (talk) 20:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it would be a better idea to get a consensus on this subject. I know some people at my school say he's not featured, but others say he is. Its really confusing.... Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 01:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Is using other sites allowed? I have a friend that wants to help with this, but because we share the same IP address (we live in a dorm), I'm not sure it would be allowed? Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 02:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "using other sites"? I am pretty sure that two people using the same computer or IP is ok as long as you have separate accounts and there isn't any monkey business or vandalism going on - you two can't possibly be the only two people on Wikipedia who share a computer or IP address. - eo (talk) 20:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I mean asking other people to come and help us decide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.244.223 (talk) 22:18, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm the friend she was talking about and in my opinion, Tim SHOULD be featured on the credits. I don't know if you agree with that but thats the way I think it should go down. He's featured on iTunes, and for those of you that said that he's not featured on the Billboards, he wasn't featured on the Billboards for "AYO Technology", yet we still have him credited there. My vote goes to him being featured, and I have been gathering people to give an opinion and for the record, I have one person that also says should be featured, bringing the count up to 3 people. Here is where she agave me the information:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AguIJWSzIu031nSoAFZv1wwjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20080404190715AAzqVCa

That is what we meant by outside websites. That makes 3 people so far. Twilight Moonbird (talk) 05:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I reckon that when the album comes out we should look at the back of the album to see whether it says featuring Timbaland and Justin timberlake or just if it just says featuring Justin Timberlake. Until then I think it should just say featuring Justin Timberlake and Timbaland. --BatterWow (talk) 06:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Good, because I know for sure that SexyBack features Timbo.... The album says it. Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 16:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that the single cover says "Madonna & Justin (Timberlake)". Am I crazy? --189.31.38.32 (talk) 22:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The cover here says "Madonna and Justin" and "SexyBack"'s cover simply lists Justin Timberlake. This is the same way that Billboard and other charts list the songs. Using "AYO Technology" isn't a good example, as obviously that should be corrected too. Please also note that this is not a majority vote - please read WP:Consensus - it is looked upon as bad form to solicit opinions from outside areas, for example a forum or message board, to get people to come here specifically to post comments when they are not regular Wikipedians. Just so you know. - eo (talk) 23:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm still right though. Wait til the album's liner notes are released. Charmed36 (talk) 23:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

iTunes mislabels lots of things. Billboard is accurated. Charmed36 (talk) 23:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

If I may say, its not only iTunes. "AYO Technology" listed it as "featuring "Justin Timberlake & Timbaland" on one of the charts, so did "The Way I Are" on one of the charts. What else did iTunes mislabel? If that was the only song then it can't be a mislabel. Oh, and your going to love this. Over here, one of the music video channels labeled it as a "Madonna featuring Justin Timberlake & Timbaland". Not to mention that EVERY site that has something about the song also labels it as "featuring Justin Timberlake & Timbaland". Are you saying that the MAJORITY of people have it mislabeled? If you are, then that is simply foolish. He is even in the music video for God's sakes. And we had it labeled that he was featured before the cover came? What happened to that? Wait until the CD comes out and see if it has him listed. Billboard can mislabel things also. Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok know-it-all. Charmed36 (talk) 02:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be a know-it-all. I just think that it isn't logical to say that iTunes mislabeled it when 100 other sites credit him. Same with SexyBack and The Way I Are. I even have the JT's album and it says featuring Timbaland.... Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 05:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• Australian iTunes only lists "4 Minutes (featuring Justin Timberlake)", so i think iTunes is not a good source. Let's wait and see what the actual cd says. Also note that on ASCAP site, only Madonna and Justin are listed as performers - ASCAP JKW111 (talk) 02:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I for one would consider ASCAP a far more reliable source than iTunes. - eo (talk) 02:32, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, this may sorta be like "My Love". Is any verse from Timbaland featured in the radio version? 72.87.74.243 (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Even if Timbaland did have a full verse in the song, the issue is whether he is credited as an artist on the song. There are a lot of songs that feature vocalists who are uncredited. If this is listed in ASCAP database without Timbaland, I'm really thinking his name needs to be taken off the artist credit here. - eo (talk) 02:16, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Well. What about radio stations? One of them over here credits them? Aren't they a reliable source? Genevieve-Tamerlaine (talk) 03:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I think you're missing the point now. A radio station or a DJ can say whatever they want when playing the song. We are talking about the way a song is officially credited by the record company, the artists, the artists' management and legal representatives. National charts adhere to how these contractual negotiations are worked out and display the credits accordingly (such as Billboard or the UK Singles Chart). This is an encyclopedia and that is how we should display the credits here. I've noticed you keep inserting Timbaland into a lot of different song articles, such as "SexyBack", "Cry Me a River", "Pony", "Try Again" and "Are You That Somebody". These songs were produced by Timbaland but they did not credit him as a "featured" artist. - eo (talk) 10:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this will need to change. If you follow the links in the article attached to the official charts for various countries, you will find that in Canada, Finland, Poland, New Zealand, Billboard and United World Chart, all only mention Madonna and Justin, no Timbaland. On the official Australian ARIA chart, which for a number of other songs always mentions featured artists, only lists Madonna as the artist for the song. Even though Warner are pushing Timbaland in promotions of the song, including samples on madonna.com, I think we can establish that he is not specifically listed in the official song title reference. Unless something more conclusive, we should adjust the current info. JKW111 (talk) 12:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Responding to my own question - there is a photo of the back cover of the album floating around that lists the songs, and for 4 minutes it says featuring justin timberlake and Timbaland. This image might not be genuine, but we will hopefully know soon enough. JKW111 (talk) 16:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Official tracklist from Warner here JKW111 (talk) 12:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Cover of the album here. It says "4 MINUTES (FEATURING JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE AND TIMBALAND). --TRyudo (talk) 21:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Tick Tock TV

About that. Tick Tock TV It's very interesting because it's like counting down to something. I've been watching and I am gonna keep an eye out on it. I have a feeling when i reaches 4 o'clock. Somethings gonna happen. So, i'll keep an eye out. --BatterWow (talk) 03:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not counting down to anything, it lists the present time in real-time. PatrickJ83 (talk) 05:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized that a while ago. Lol --BatterWow (talk) 05:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Record on Nielson

It should be mentioned that this is the first time since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking digital sales in 2003 that two titles, this and Mariah Carey's "Touch My Body", debut simultaneously on Hot Digital Songs with more than 200,000 downloads each. The week also marks the best single-week digital tally in either artist's career. It's an awesome achievement for both artists.---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 23:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Reference to milliseconds

This part isn't technically right: "The music video begins with Timbaland rapping his opening lines, in front of a screen showing exactly four minutes in the format of minutes:seconds:milliseconds." It's definitely not milliseconds. A millisecond is a thousandth of a second, and so would need three digits to display, not the two shown in the video. It's either hundredths of a second - which could be verified if anyone's able to spot '60' or higher in that part of the clock ;-) - or it's the sexagemisimal division of seconds and so wouldn't go higher than '59'. I'm sure there are plenty of trivia fans who can freeze-frame the video to find out :-D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.94.247 (talk) 16:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Formats

What is this "babypak" cd single format that is listed? Is it maybe the simple card slip case?Dollvalley (talk) 20:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

international Billboard Links

Your international billboard links, in the Chart section, aren't official. Austria, Belgium, France... those lists are wrong. Every country has its own single chart. For example; the real Ireland position is 4, not 3. http://www.irma.ie/aucharts.asp

23 number 1s

According to this article the single has already collected 23 number 1s worldwide and it's not out yet?

Ok, ok...

I'm confused. This black crystal...thingy is either

1. Destroying the world
2. Turning stuff transparent.

Which one is it?--Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 20:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

How is this song considered "Electro pop" ?

Someone offer an explanation, else I am going to remove that from the genre description. —The Real One Returns (talk) 02:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics

I don't think we really need the lyrics do we???!