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==Credible author being reverted==

Hello. A credible authors' reference is being "overrided" by edit-warring. I recently tried to add to the [[telescope]] article but this [[User:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|editor]] seems to think that his opinion overrides a VERY credible author in [[Richard Powers|Mr. Richard Powers]]. I don't want this think to get to the point of an edit-war, so I'm just asking some administrators to help me. [[User:InternetHero|InternetHero]] ([[User talk:InternetHero|talk]]) 20:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

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Wow

Like wow - hey thats some art you got there on the lgas! worth more than a barnstar that! SatuSuro 11:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC) you ok for the history stuff? SatuSuro 12:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if you could spare the time for peer review this portal? The editor has been slaving away pretty much by himself and really wants input from others. I know you're busy, which makes your input, if you can manage it, so much more appreciated. :) All the best, --ROGER DAVIES talk 00:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Re Portal:Military of Australia

Hi, I have viewed the above portal, and have noticed that it needs a little tweaks fixed up in some areas, so I thought I would contact you with my findings. Under the section "Things You Can Do" it lists two requested articles that have actually been created. An article was created on Admiral Alan Beaumont back on the 6th May, and there is an article for General Bennett (Phillip Bennett); his first name is actually spelt with two L's.

As for the new articles section, I just thought I would let you know that an article on Admiral Michael Hudson was created on the 13th June.

Thank you for taking your time out to read this, and hopefully the proper amendments can be made. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks, I much appreciate it. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

portal

Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC) (It was just an idea ... )[reply]

"Moved Archive link back to right as per norm across portal"
Fair enough. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"revert to bullets as numbers seem to indicate some order of importance which there isnt"
Not necessarily. Numbers can indicate all sorts of things. In this case it denotes the chronological order (I guess, to be precise, the reverse-chronological order), and also the length of the list at a glance, (which has been specified to be 15), without requiring manual counting. Unless you object, I'll change it back on the weekend. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I do object to any move to revert the new article bullets to numbered bullets. I do admit that my explanation in the edit summary was not thorough and though out but as you know they are meant to be brief. But I do believe that keeping bullets instead of numbers is a better outcome. The bullets make the overall portal flow better, the sections above utilise bullets, keeping consistency is important in a portal. The numbered bullets are not necessary as the article names are followed by the date of creation. Though i will alter the hidden instructions to be more descriptive and clearer as to the order.
Regards Hossen27 (talk) 13:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not trying to be "difficult" here; I'm just a bit confused by your response.
"I do object to any move to revert the new article bullets to numbered bullets." - Why? Other than saying: "The bullets make the overall portal flow better" (which I classify as a POV rather than an explanation), you make no attempt to answer the question. You just state your POV.
"the sections above utilise bullets" - Sorry, I don't understand. Which sections above what?
"keeping consistency is important in a portal" - Maybe. Consistency with what?
"The numbered bullets are not necessary as the article names are followed by the date of creation." - From my POV, that is a complete non-sequitur, and I have no idea what you mean.
"Though i will alter the hidden instructions to be more descriptive and clearer as to the order." - Well, I'm not sure what you mean, but I see no evidenve that you have made any such changes.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your post. There's no hurry. "At your convenience" is soon enough. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'll repeat that there's no hurry, and that "At your convenience" is soon enough, but I will add that I am (still) looking forward to reading you response. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Request

Hossen27, since you are a member of the WW1 task force who has stated that you have a particular interest in the Western Front, I would like to ask if you are able to add to the Robert Nivelle article. It is currently on GA hold, as it requires more information, particularly about his early life and legacy. If there is a chance that you could contribute to the article by July 21, the date when the review ends, I would be very gratful. Thanks in advance. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 22:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Credible author being reverted

Hello. A credible authors' reference is being "overrided" by edit-warring. I recently tried to add to the telescope article but this editor seems to think that his opinion overrides a VERY credible author in Mr. Richard Powers. I don't want this think to get to the point of an edit-war, so I'm just asking some administrators to help me. InternetHero (talk) 20:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]