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To move forward i have created a proposals page here. This is not a straw poll. The aim of this is to discuss the technical aspects of the images themselves and not how they relate to NAS nor is it a place to discuss sourcing. The images included are all sourced in some way as being attributed to new antisemitism. Seddσn ^talk ^{Editor Review} 12:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is Holocaust denial New Antisemtisim?

After all its certainly not old... Telaviv1 (talk) 12:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what the sources say, but I would guess that by itself it's more a continuation of the "old" antisemitism. If it's an attempt to exonerate the Nazis, it's "old". If it's an attempt to reduce sympathy for Zionism, it's "new". But check the sources. —Ashley Y 03:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust denial started the day World War II was over, and it has nothing to do with "reducing sympathy for Zionism". If it comes from the left or Muslim countries, or equates Israel with Nazi Germany, then it's "New". Jayjg ^(talk) 04:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmadinejad seems to be denying the holocaust to reduce sympathy for Zionism here, though this is only my impression. —Ashley Y 05:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's a good idea to try to figure out what Ahmadinejad really means when he says things. I take him at face value; if he says the Holocaust was a myth, then that's what he believes. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. It's possible he's misinformed in good faith. —Ashley Y 05:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So wait a minute -- "new" antisemitism is just antisemitism from the left (which we've already established goes back at least to the turn of the 20th century) or from Muslims (which goes back about as far)? What makes any of this "new"? csloat (talk) 15:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please note, article talk pages are not the place you to "passionately advocate [your] pet point of view". Your opinion that New antisemitism does not exist is not relevant to this Talk: page. Please focus on what reliable sources say on the topic. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the abusive non sequitur, Jay. I was asking what reliable sources say on this topic, not passionately advocating anything. csloat (talk) 23:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The new anti-Semitism is coming simultaneously from three different directions: first, a radicalized Islamic youth inflamed by extremist rhetoric; second, a left-wing anti-American cognitive elite with strong representation in the European media; third, a resurgent far right, as anti-Muslim as it is anti-Jewish."[1] These sources are all in the article. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't respond to the questions I asked at all. The question is, what makes it "new"? Is it just old antisemitism coming from these sources or is there something qualitatively different about it? Or to offer an oversimplified and rather silly example, if a "radicalized Islamic youth" is standing with a member of the American Nazi party and both are discussing the Protocols, is only one of them being a "new" antisemite? Does plain old "antisemitism" not exist anymore, and all current antisemitism is "new" antisemitism? csloat (talk) 00:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Fischel, chair of history at Millersville University of Pennsylvania, writes that new antisemitism is a new phenomenon stemming from a coalition of "leftists, vociferously opposed to the policies of Israel, and right-wing antisemites, committed to the destruction of Israel, [who] were joined by millions of Muslims, including Arabs, who immigrated to Europe ... and who brought with them their hatred of Israel in particular and of Jews in general." It is this new political alignment, he argues, that makes new antisemitism unique.

That's in the article too. It would be helpful to read it. Jayjg ^(talk) 00:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That needed some work. He's not the chair of history there [2], although he apparently was once. That's also a weird article. It's a book review. He's reviewing Chesler's "The New Anti-Semitism" and some related books. It's not always clear when Fischer is quoting and when he's writing his own opinions. --John Nagle (talk) 02:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he was once chair of the department. He appears to be professor emeritus now. Is that particularly relevant? Jayjg ^(talk) 01:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jay it would be helpful to avoid the constant insults every time you respond to me. In fact I think it would be best if you just don't. csloat (talk) 06:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust denial is holocaust denial and new antisemitism means different things to different people. Some people may think that holocaust denial is a part of new antisemitism. // Liftarn (talk) 08:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Have we suddenly turned into a forum or is a change to the article proposed? Itsmejudith (talk) 15:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The reliable sources we have so far don't seem to make such a connection. So far, the decades of sources seem to indicate that the meaning changes over time to be whatever the current issue is. "New" antisemitism just seems in practice to mean "current", as opposed to "historical". It's a label that's put on papers, books, talks, and articles to indicate that the subject is the present, not the past. --John Nagle (talk) 17:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With all the disparate definitions of "new antisemitism", about all one can really say at this point is that something labeled "new antisemitism" probably isn't going to start by covering Moses vs. Ramses II, or Venetian banking. --John Nagle (talk) 17:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Holocaust denial is probably more prevalent in traditional anti-semitism from the rigth (on which side most holocaust-deniers are), New antisemitism is specifically a catch all phrase used against people who arent actually being antisemitic, thats why holocaust denial is not such a big part of it.86.156.52.67 (talk) 20:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The term "New antisemitism" first appeared actually DURING the time of the holocaust. Many pacifists who were initially sympathetic toward Jews became antisemites because they preferred to be at PEACE with Germany rather than side with the Jews. The Jewish suffering seemed a legitimate sacrifice for the purpose of world peace. This is the first time the term was coined. There is quite a bit of literature on it that can be expanded. Analogically, this is the same new antisemitism of today, where many prefer to have no conflict with the Arab world, with the Oil crisis etc, and they are willing to sacrifice Israel and the Jewish people again for this purpose of what they believe will be world peace. Amoruso (talk) 23:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase "new antisemitism" is almost as old as the word "antisemitism". People always think the challenges they face are different from those faced by previous generations. See Talk:New anti-Semitism/archive 15#Data points on usage for statistics about historical usage of the phrase. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 23:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this article about all uses of the phrase, or just some specific one? —Ashley Y 23:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's only about the current one, but the history of the term is discussed and could go back further. Amoruso (talk) 23:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like an important point which should be in the article. Telaviv1 (talk) 14:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Found a source for that. Here's an academic cite to a WWII-era meaning of "new antisemitism" in "Myth, Style, Substance and the Totalitarian Dynamic in Fascist Italy". See note 110, Ben-Ghiat, Fascist Modernities, 149, 156–7. In Dictating Demography: The Problem of Population in Fascist Italy (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1996), Carl Ipsen traced the new antisemitism to the wider official demographic effort to create a race of hardy conquerors and childbearers; see 185–94. --John Nagle (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The article says this concept of 'new antisemitism' originated in the 1960s (1967 the earliest reference given) but there is picture of a Nazi cartoon from 1938. What's the deal with that?

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 :::::Found a source for that.  Here's an academic cite to a WWII-era meaning of "new antisemitism" in [http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FCEH%2FCEH16_01%2FS0960777306003602a.pdf&code=bfe16ff5b2f02b0291f4e05f6aebbcf2 "Myth, Style, Substance and the Totalitarian Dynamic in Fascist Italy"].  See note 110, ''Ben-Ghiat, Fascist Modernities, 149, 156–7. In Dictating Demography: The Problem of Population in Fascist Italy (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1996), Carl Ipsen traced the new antisemitism to the wider official demographic effort to create a race of hardy conquerors and childbearers; see 185–94.'' --[[User:Nagle|John Nagle]] ([[User talk:Nagle|talk]]) 17:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
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+The article says this concept of 'new antisemitism' originated in the 1960s (1967 the earliest reference given) but there is picture of a Nazi cartoon from 1938. What's the deal with that?