Talk:Frisbee

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Ashes --> Frisbees?

From the article:

"Upon his death, Morrison was cremated and his ashes turned into Frisbees."

Is this true or is it someone's attempt at humor? If true, can anyone provide a reference? —Frecklefoot 13:04, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)

According to http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/eastman/6240.asp it was Ed Headrick, not Morrison.--Zantolak 19:40, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Stancil Johnson, MD, wrote about having his ashes molded into frisbees in his book "Frisbee, a practioner's manual and definitive treatise." Dr. Johnson is still with us. Ed Headrick, the father of disc golf, did indeed have his ashes molded into discs.

Morrison is still living. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595063442,00.html

The ashes wernt "molded" into frisbees (making it sound as if you get a frisbee made of ash instead of plastic) but rather a small quantity of ashes were added to a large volume of clear plastic. In the final product, clear discs with Ed's picture and a short sentiment printed on them, you can see a few flecks here and there of Ed - TINY bits of ash. You can buy discs on Amazon.

physics

There is a difference between the shape of a disc golf disc and a Frisbee, the disc has a pointed leading edge, and the Frisbee has a skirt.

quite interesting

Does anyone have a robust source for this description? I have no doubt that there have been studies into the physics of Frisbees, and I doubt somehow that Bernoulli is a sufficient description. See Coanda effect and especially the late Jeff Raskin's excellent description of the Coanda effect linked from there. Probably the best treatment of the Frisbee would be as a circular wing! ajf 16:36, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

revolutionary physics

There are two researchers who have sites worth looking into. One is S Hummel at UC Santa Cruz. The other is J Potts at Manchester in England.

Personally I don't think Bernoulli has anything to do with it. The original idea for frisbees is the same as that for hovercraft. The idea is lift through high pressure. Completely opposite of a wing. http://www.geocities.com/gregu10/Schlichting.jpg This diagram from Schlichting's famous book shows the airflow without the skirt.

The angular momentum is stored energy. What you need to do is explain how this energy gets converted into thrust.

Another very important concept for frisbees is how they minimize drag.....

And of course it would be nice to be able to explain why the air underneath the thing feels cold. Frizb 21:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Found this page via "It has been suggested that this article or section ["Disk Physics"] be merged into flying disc" from the "Disc Golf" page, which makes little sense (to me.)

The average, non-golf flying disc is inherently "stable," and designed for throwing and catching. They are designed to go (mostly) straight when thrown. The average golf disc is NOT designed to be caught per se, except by a disc golf basket. Going into highly technical terms that apply to a small cross-section of discs serves only to confuse the "average" disc thrower (IMHO.) Adding overly technical information about over/understable, disc speeds, "rollers" and the like seems akin to discussing "drag chutes" under "automobiles" instead of "drag racing." I feel that it should stay under "Disc Golf" and not merge here. no ID, 18:20 23 Feb. 2007

I agree. The title "Disc Physics" is what is misleading. It could be changed to Golf Disc Physics. The truth is that what is described in that section is often a) unique, at very least in prevalence of the terminology, to disc golf, and b) highly relevent to the point of being not just integral to the play of the game, but ever-present in the thoughts of the players. A disc golf player always knows or strives to know what he did in his hand, arm, body to get the disc to fly in the specific flight path it took, and how to repeat it when needed. For discussion and instruction among players, terminology exists that describes specific flight characteristics. Understanding disc flight patterns is paramount to playing and improving. This all needs to be said in the "disc golf" article.

Trademark claim

Could there be a tad more elaborating on the Wham-O's claim of "Frisbee" as a trademark? Have they been successful? If not, why?

Peter ^Isotalo 20:53, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it was just a phrasing issue, as the frisbee has been a registered trademark for a long time. I changed the text. Elf | Talk 21:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

See Chapter VII the Frisbee Conspiracy The Complete Book of Frisbee the history of the sport & the first official price guide Victor A. Malafronte American Treads Publishing, Alameda, CA, 1998 ISBN: 0-9663855-2-7

Victor provides much history into trademark and use of the term 'frisbee'.

Weapon

In certain games and movies there are frisbee or frisbee-like discs used as weapons. In Alien vs Predator movie the Predator has a metal disc that he throw on people and cut their heads off. In computer game 'Tribe', a weapon shoot disc to people.

Goldfinger

in the original movie Goldfinger the servant Oddjob uses his hat as a spinning disc weapon. When I was a kid it was pretty common for someone to come up and say something like "do you know what you would have if you put razor blades on the edge of that?" This was so common it was in somebody's "12 Rules of Frisbee" along with "good catch followed by bad throw" and "car suck"

Well I have an answer to the people who want to put razor blades on my DisCraft. I tell them it would be exactly the same size and shape as the number 4 compressor rotor in the Pratt and Whitney JT9D jet engine. Frizb 21:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Physics part too hard to understand?

I think that the physics section on frisbee is to scietific for general know-how. It should be made more basic and easier to understand.

Physics is hard

Einstein said physics should be simple enough to explain things, but not simpler. I agree it's not easy to understand what the page says now. Unfortunately what is there now is wrong, and is not complicated enough. It is too simple now, and in the fullness of time it will only get harder. Frizb

Trivia section

I had entered a section with this bit of trivia, but someone pulled it out; it's not a joke entry, and I cannot figure out why people wouldn't want it to be part of the page.

John Dwork graduated from Hampshire College in 1984 with a Bachelor of Arts in Frisbee [1]. The full title of his degree was "Flying Disc Entertainment and Education."

I want it back in. Any support? MEJ119

I agree with the adding it back in. It's true and a great example of the anti-authoritarian lifestyle that is frequently associated with frisbee or flying disc sports. I've attached a link to the Hampshire College library archives that confirms this "myth." [2] CFiorello 05:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I would also suggest adding to the trivia the Frisbee Dog Memorial Statue that sits on the quad of Middlebury College to the trivia. The statue's story can be found at this link. [3] while the story as the origin of frisbee is certainly apocryphal, it does add to association of frisbee and college culture.

History

What about the history of a frisbee being from a pie pan? 71.250.23.130 18:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Myth

This is a pleasant myth. At the Air Force Museum web site they have images of a guided missile called an aerobee, and a jet powered target drone called a feuerbee. Later on the army developed a high altitude missile called the aerobee to draw attention away from the circular control surface on the original aerobee guided missile. They probably tossed pie plates around at Yale and other places, but the Friesbee did not come from there, it was not named for a family of Danish people, and neither were the other two fast-moving flying things. Fries-Bee probably is a concatenation of the north German words that mean "cold fast-mover" "Fries-be-eiler"

That's bullshit. Please look at this. The pie tin story is not a myth. There is also this source from a NPOV. —WAvegetarian•_{CONTRIBUTIONS}^TALK• ^EMAIL• 02:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for the language. This is the first time that I have looked at this page since writing that. I haven't written anything nearly that incivil in the past 6 months. I agree with what the anonymous poster said below. The most likely, and most widely accepted, derivation of "frisbee" is from the pie company. I never said that the pie company was related to pluto platter.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 04:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry too. I edited out my swearing. It could still be pies, but I am sure it is cold fast moving thing, just like feuerbee means jet powered fast thing to the USAF, and aerobee means aerodynamic fast thing to the USAF. I'm putting my money with the USAF. Frizb 21:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

TO CLARIFY THE MISUNDERSTANDING: Separate the name from the thing. The name "Frisbee" probably DID originate from a misspelling of the name of the Frisbie Pie Company. But, Wham-O coined and trademarked the name Frisbee almost 6 months AFTER they had bought the rights to the Pluto Platter from Fred Morrison. It was Fred who came up with the concept of producing a commercial flying disc after he tossed a popcorn can lid with his girlfriend (and later wife) in Los Angeles, CA. His 1946 sketch of the "Whirlo-Way" disc was molded in plastic in 1948 with the help of Warren Franscioni. This Pipco Flyin-Saucer was the very first plastic flying disc...and it arose without any help or knowledge of East Coast-based Frisbie's Pies. Thus, plastic flying discs (and the Frisbee® disc) didn't originate with pie tins...but the name Frisbee possibly did.

Frisbee > flying disc

Can we move the name of this article from Frisbee to Flying disc yet? Wham-O has been getting protective of their copyrights and no serious Ultimate or other disc aficionado calls flying discs "frisbees". --Liface 16:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll move it to flying disk.Cameron Nedland 13:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

You spelled it wrong. It should be "Flying disc". I've put a request in at Wikipedia:requested moves to move it to this title. --Liface 19:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Disk is an accepted spelling, like colo(u)r, civili(z/s)e, etc.Cameron Nedland 02:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Disk is accepted, but disc is more common. Flying disc vs. Flying disk. Plus, we've already set a precedent with "flying disc games". --Liface 06:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. I moved the page per the RM, but I'm not so sure it should have been moved from frisbee in the first place, copyrighted or not; I thought it was about UFOs... Whatever. Duja 14:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

It's hard, because disc players are trying to phase out Frisbee as a genericized trademark for discs. Having the article read "flying disc" is a start. Hopefully in the next couple years people will be more and more used to the new rhetoric. --Liface 21:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I would like to see the portion which dicusses the flying technique of the discs stay under this heading for disc golf. there is so much specific content in thta portion for the game of disc golf that would be out of place under a different heading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kodhedz (talk • contribs) 09:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

This name change and move was rather questionable. There would be no grounds to sue Wikipedia. Whether the company likes it or not, Frisbee has become a generic name. Alyeska 18:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Whatever terminology is used by a "serious Ultimate or other disc aficionado", Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use_common_names_of_persons_and_things tells us to use the common name, which is frisbee. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The naming conventions page does not really apply to genericized trademarks. Examples: Crock pot, Novocaine, Viagra, basically any other drug name, Crescent wrench etc... --Liface 19:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

• Don't forget to read rec.sport.disc on USENET. This very old Internet service is now hosted by google at Google/Groups. rec.sport.disc has been in existence for frisbee players since at least 1991. Recenly I ran into a very good Ultimate team in San Diego who had never heard of rec.sport.disc. Frizb (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Turning pro

The article says the first pro model went on sale 1964; how was it different from the "amateur" version? Trekphiler 11:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• As I recall, the "professional" was the first frisbee model to be released after the "pluto platter" My first frisbee was a red pluto platter street disk, and the "professional" was a big improvement. I recall it weighed about 110 grams, and a year or two later Wham-O released the "All-American" that weighed 126 grams. The "Master" Frisbee (150 grams)was released around 1968 or 1969 I think. That frisbee included registration numbers printed on the label, the same way that a Cessna has a tail number. If you lost your "Master" you had a promise from Wham-o to pay the postage to return it to you. Frizb (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

New Pic

That new image at the top is pretty horrendous. Beach drifter (talk) 19:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, that is a better composed picture and closer to the actual frisbee. It is probably the ugliness of the person in it that is causing you a problem. SpinningSpark 21:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have been clearer. That is basically what I meant. The entire picture, from the hair draped across the mouth to the clumsy attempt at a catch, make the entire article less appealing. Beach drifter (talk) 22:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I vote we crop it after the head and just have the disc part. --Liface (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Stalag 13

Is this verifiable, or is it subtle Hogan's Heros vandalism? Cheers, Dlohcierekim 13:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

• I have never heard this before, and I have been flipping pages since 1960. What is true is that Morrison learned welding in the Army Air Force, and that hundreds and hundreds of bomber crew were captured and were imprisoned. That war was unique in the way that from 1941 (after Dunkirk) until June 1944 almost all of the British and American soldiers fought from the air. It seems possible that Morrison and Franscioni might have been among the many airmen who encountered German "fioux fighters" which many pilots reported as glowing disks which approached their aircraft and could hover and accelerate rapidly. There was some speculation (based on experiences of pilot survivors) that fioux fighters could disable an aircraft engine by shorting out the spark plugs with electromagnetic fields. "fioux" is French for "fire" Frizb (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)