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the f word

I wontedly block usernames made of sundry spins on it and am happy to do this for the community, knowing that 19 times out of 20 (or whatever) anyone who would choose any username calling this word to mind wants only to disrupt the encyclopedia but truth be told, I mean, fuck, I so like that word :) Gwen Gale (talk) 02:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

You are quickly becoming my favorite admin. Switzpaw (talk) 02:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Calm down Switzpaw, Gwen may be the alias of a huge hairy bloke. But this is a great page to learn about Wiki and how to deal with all levels of ambition, attitude and culture. PS Gwen, I know a lady who chose her company name, 'FertilityUK', in complete naivety, so she must be the other 1 of the twenty. Autodidactyl (talk) 12:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Autodidactyl how the fuck did you guess? Gwen Gale (talk) 14:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Aaaaaaargh. But it still doesn't prove that you are a man. Autodidactyl (talk) 16:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

So what did she do when she groked the acronym at last? Gwen Gale (talk) 03:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Regretted it but carried on regardless. Resolved to always write the name in full. The 'business' is at the formal/technical/medical end of the spectrum of family planning and sex education. Autodidactyl (talk) 12:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Cracks me up she can get away with it then, cheers for her :) Gwen Gale (talk) 11:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Its a service run by (mostly) women for (mostly) women. There are good grounds to assume that (mostly) only men have scatological minds and a puerile sense of humour. Thus nice, well educated, girls like you (if a tad more hirsute than is strictly necessary, and with a propensity to Polycystic ovary syndrome), will exhibit nothing more than a wry smile and a slight blush. Ergo, 'cracking up' fits with my original spitzpaw supposition. Autodidactyl (talk) 13:01, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I smile because hers is spot on a tale of all the traps one must skirt in naming a national/worldwide business or project these days, if you've ever tried (I've had something to do with a few) you'll know it's not at all easy, flops abound. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

wholesale archiving of Talk:Joe the Plumber by one editor

User:Inclusionist has made it his business to archive current sections from a Talk page without consultation, and in order to show his "positions" ina better light that the recent sections showed them. Collect (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Apparently he did it to use 29 or so rapid fire edits to fix his words, and to change section titles as well as to remove posts which were embarassing to him. Of course, mainly without noting the changes. Sort of a do it yourself WavBack machine for Talk. Collect (talk) 02:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it may be a little untowards but unless there's a consensus on the talk page to put everything back I wouldn't do anything: If you have a need to cite any of his talk page edits, do so with diffs. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Game time -- now he has a RfM out -- he notified me even before he filled in any of the blanks. I think Joe the Plumber is setting a record for such processes ... Collect (talk) 03:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm so startled to see it. ;) Gwen Gale (talk) 03:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Be sure to read its Talk page. I am trying not to laugh at some of this! Collect (talk) 03:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It's codswallop stateside meaningless scam politics no matter who comes out "on top" and has little to do with Joe himself so don't try to keep up with it, cite sources if you like and please do let me know if you see any WP:BLP worries but otherwise let it play out into its pithless fate as an historical footnote to yet another tweedle-dee tweedle-dum election. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Although just a few seconds ago, I did try looking for those diffs, I honestly am not thinking straight. For the past few days, all I've been doing is parser code in my friend's wiki for an sheeted, dice-based rpg of his. Long story short, the template topped out at 150kb of parser functions. I'm exhausted, as are my eyes. I probably need to take a break from the computer for a couple of days until I feel better before I get involved in any disputes.— Dædαlus ^Contribs /_Improve 06:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

If you ask me, there may be a reason why looking for the diffs was a slog, tired minds tend to shut down when faced with worthless tasks :) Gwen Gale (talk) 06:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Now he is editing the Talk page, reorganizing it, removing what he does not apparently like, and renaming sections, and removing posts from threads to do so. Is there a name for this behavior? Collect (talk) 20:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Could you please show me some diffs? Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Some? He did 30 edits from 22:30 on 25 Oct to 04:30 on 26 Oct ... latest one showing renaming threads is at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Joe_the_Plumber&diff=prev&oldid=247838806 but it shows a wholesale move from within one thread, to a newly titled section ... I do not know how much more clearcut things could be? Collect (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That is a copy not a move! He's trying to get a compromise solution together. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 21:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I was about to say rather much the same thing as Theresa. I don't see any removal of other users' comments in that diff. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Evans

May I please have a copy of my article on Jerry Evans (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). So I can rewrite it to a higher standard, I'm very new at this wiki stuff and didn't finish writing the article to the necessary standard. Thanks ranluf-[email addy redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.164.228 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Please read this page first. I've put the deleted text at User:Ranluf/sandbox. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I have copied the text into notepad - I will resubmit later —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranluf (talk • contribs) 13:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Your grossly inappropriate block of The Enchantress of Florence

This block was inappropriate for several conspicuous reasons:

• You imposed the block without actually considering the substantial issues. You comment in announcing the clock was simply that you had "worries." It is clear that you did not reasonably consider the circumstances or evaluate the circumstances, but acted on accusations alone. That is simply high-tech lynching of someone who had stated unpopular opinions, and is behavior that a reasonable, ethical person would be ashamed of.

  You imposed the block without allowing an opportunity for the accused person to respond. That is another feature of a lynching. Since my spouse is actively employed, unlike, it seems, most of her critics, she did not have an opportunity to respond to the discussion of blocking before you imposed the block. I would think that simple decency requires allowing a response. You apparently do not.

  The block was asymmetric. Once of the complainants, Crusio had posted a lengthy personal attack on my spouse, in response to her civil (and accurate) comment that his actions toward a new user violated the WP:BITE policy.[1] [2] Crusio then accessed my spouse's contribution list,announcing his intentions and began removing her prior contributions without regard to their validity; here, for example, he vandalized an article by reinserting unsourced material that amounts to puffery/advertising. [3] Note that Crusio began devoting unwarranted attention to her only an hour after she removed a "prod" notice he had placed on an article. [4] Note that in the same discussion, concerning deletion of an article concerning an erotic film performer, supported the inclusion of a claim that the performer had engaged in explicit on-camera sex with her sister (raising BLP issues far more substantial that the accusations falsely leveled against my spouse bu Durova), even though the source Crusio cited said exactly the opposite, that the claim was a hoax. [5] [6]. Frankly, Crusio's actions and comments more that justify the description of him as a "stalker," and demonstrate far greater cause for restrictions on his editing capabilities.

  Several of the charges you cite are no more than unfounded accusations, little more than rude epithets. THe claim of "pointy noms" is unsupported by anything other than name-calling, and your repetition of it, plainly without having evaluated the response provided in relevant discussions [7]. It should also have been clear that several examples of that accusation were clearly made in bad faith; Horrorshowj, for example, made the accusation while aaccusing "mass" deletion proposals, although there were only two. Acting without evdence -- indeed, in the clear absence of evidence, is at best grossly irresponsible.

  Your reference to BLP violations is clearly and unmistakeably inappropriate. That claimwas made only by user:Durova, who has achieved notoriety by making false allegations against another user. It rests entirely on Durova's objectively false statements regarding the standards for credit card chargebacks, as discussed in detail in the Ginger Jolie deletion debate. "Durova" believes that it is inappropriate to unfavorably characterize a person who refused to provide services she had contracted for, refused to voluntarily refund the advance payments made to her business, and inappropriately, publicly, threatened retailiation against those who made valid claims to their credit card issuers. Why Durova has such sympathy towards dishonest business practices I cannot understand, but discussion of them, based on the subjects own public statements, plainly violates no Wikipedia standards.

  Your actions are irresponsible and unjustified. You should immediately reverse the block and apologize. Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 13:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't take anyone's word for anything, I looked at the diffs. The block was endorsed at WP:ANI and she was clearly being disruptive, engaging in personal attacks and pointy edits whilst straying from WP:BLP. Moreover the block will automatically lift in a few hours, although if she carries on with that behaviour, the next block will be swift and for a much longer time. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Where are the "pointy edits" and "BLP violations" you claim? Why do you believe it is approprate to act without providing an opportunity to respond? Why was your block asymmetric? Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 14:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

As I said, this block was endorsed at WP:ANI. She's more than welcome to contest the block by putting up an {{unblock|reason here}} tag on her talk page, which other admins will review. Mind, her block will be up in a few hours anyway. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Why do you refuse to discuss the matter? Your block was "justified" by false statements and poor policy judgments; the fact that another administrator had the poor judgment to agree with you is hardly relevant. And that certainly does not address the asymmetry question; why did you not act against Crusio, whose personal atack on, and stalking of, my spouse led to the less caustic comments you imposed the inappropiate block for? Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 14:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a court of law, it's a private website with easy to follow rules which have grown through community consensus. She broke a few rules, was blocked for it and the block was endorsed. The block notice clearly tells how to contest a block, but she hasn't contested it. If she does contest it with an unblock template, other admins will be happy to review this block. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That's just another evasion. I think it is clear that she did ot break several of the rules you cite, and that you refused to block other users whose more severely broke the one arguably applicable rule. Moreover, there is no rule which states that other users may not object to blocks, and such objections take place frequently. Your comments here strongly suggest to me that your behavior was abusive, and you are unwilling to follow the standards you apply to others. Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 14:36, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

On your user page you self-identify as lawyer who has too much time on his hands right now. Wikipedia is only a website, she broke some of its rules and was only blocked from editing web pages on a single website for 2 days. Moreover, as a relative you seem to have a conflict of interest. She's welcome to put up an unblock template and other admins will review the block. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Now that's a personal attack, and you're also citing a nonexistent COI policy. You continue to evade the legitimate issues involved. Thats an abuse of your authority. Your behavior appalls me. Regardless of my relationship to the target of your hostility, there's nothing inappropriate about questioning actions that appear dubious. Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 14:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Hostility? I think you may have your own edits muddled with someone else's. I'll put it this way, but only once more: She can contest the block by putting up an unblock template. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Any user may object to abuse of an administrator's authority. You cite no policy otherwise. The fact that the target of the abuse does not choose to follow the abuser's preferred process is irrelevant. Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 14:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I've told you four times how she can handle this. You can bring this up at WP:ANI but I'd rather humbly nudge you towards having a cup of tea instead. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

And I have told you an at least equal number of times that my objections to your abuse of administrative authority are independent of anyone else's opinions. You do not city any policy as justification for your refusal to address these issues. I would also note that the overall discussion you implicitly endorsed included a suggestion that sanctions toward me were possible (a claim also without plicy justification), so I hardly think your dismissive attitude is appropriate. Any Wikipedian editor may object to abuse of authority, not just the target. You cite no policy otherwise, because there is none. Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Throughout this thread you've strayed from both WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL, which is mostly why I haven't wanted to go into this very deeply with you. If you would like to carry on this discussion, please do so at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#User:The_Enchantress_Of_Florence_attacks_on_other_editors, thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Now that is a thoroughly inappropriate response. It is an unfortunately common resort of those receiving criticism to make unfounded accusations. My comments are entirely based on your own comments and actions, and your refusal to city either policy or evidence. Comments like your most recent one only serve demonstrate the abusiveness of your actions. And, as you knew when you made the comment, I had already taken the discussion to WP:AN/I, so your suggestion is inexplicably evasive.Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 15:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Begone, please. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL. Minos P. Dautrieve (talk) 15:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Gwen Gale has not been evasive, she has answered your queries appropriately. I agree that you have strayed far from WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL and have great admiration for Gwen Gale's patience. Doug Weller (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Me too. The outcome for blocking your wife was determine by consensus at AN/I. Gwen Gale was the one to pull the trigger. Royalbroil 15:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Columns?

Can you point me in the direction of instructions for formatting columns? I could find nothing the manual of style, and I am now stumped. Thanks. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Do you mean in a list of footnoted references? {{reflist|2}}

Or, if you mean another kind of columns, please tell me more (show me some). All the best! Gwen Gale (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yes... I am having trouble with this, and clearly need to figure out how to narrow the width of the columns so that they fit alongside the userboxes. Otherwise, the rest of the page is screwed up. Ya get what I mean? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It all lines up ok in my install of Firefox but I do see what you mean. I wouldn't get into specifying column widths: Although with a bit of searching I could likely find the tag for doing this, you might get them looking how you want on your browser with your monitor but they'd likely be even more broken on other broswer displays/resolutions. WP:Columns goes about as far as you should go with this, although you've already taken it further :) I mean, you can tweak it all you like and I know it's fun but it's unlikely you'll ever get something that will show up the same way on all the different browser and resolution congfigs folks use with Wikipedia. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, I couldn't give bugger-all what it looks like on other people's browsers. I am obsessive-compulsive, and I want it to look right on mine. With thanks for your assistance, I am going to go back to "tweaking," since going too far with things is what I do well. Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 17:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

So, having looked at the link you shared, I decided to go in a different direction. Thank you for your assistance. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 18:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Given what you want to do with the layout, that's much cleaner! Gwen Gale (talk) 19:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Curious Pastimes Page

Hi I have just noticed the deletion of the Curious Pastimes page, reason (A7 (group): Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/company/etc.) OK I am fine with this if this is not the type of article wanted on Wikipedia. Looking through the list of LRP games I notice that a lot of 'notable' organisations have been deleted recently too. My confusion starts with those that haven't e.g. Lorien Trust. These pages seem to be equally A7?

Any clarification on this issue would be very welcome, thanks in advance. Unkle jimmy (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Long tale short, it fell by the wayside many weeks ago. Thanks for bringing this up, I've restored it. If you find any others, please let me know. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Great! Thank you very much for that. I think there are some other LRP ones that might feel the same. I will get a list. Also the logo image has now been deleted as it was orphaned, should I chase the deleter of that or post the image again? Many thanks anyway. Unkle jimmy (talk) 13:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I restored the logo image. Let me know if you find any more of these deleted LRPs, most of them read like CSD A7s but there is a consensus among a group of experienced and good faith editors that despite this, many LRPs can have helpful articles here. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. I suppose to people not involved in the hobby LRP can look like self interest and hence A7, but if you are going to list LRP I suppose there are quite a few of us that would claim some importance in the hobby. Looking at the list I would say that following merit an entry (in my humble opinion) ConQuest of Mythodea - (very large and current German event), Fools and Heroes (One of the oldest continual club events in the UK), Heroquest (Similar to previous), Labyrinthe (another long running system run in caves in the South of England) and Maelstrom (relatively new UK festival but again very popular and quite a different style of game to other games). They are all listed on the List of live-action role-playing groups page. I can't honestly comment on the others as I don't really know them. I'll try and keep a more regular eye on the CP page in case this question pops up again. Thanks for all your help.Unkle jimmy (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

What?

Please explain how you could even consider a NASCAR driver for speedy deletion? NASCAR is the most well-known stock car racing series in the world! I am certain that a deletion review of the Tighe Scott article would result in a speedy keep. Do you want me to go through the process or would you like to restore it? Royalbroil 04:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Just an uninvolved user commenting here, but, have you tried reading how notability is not inherited?— Dædαlus ^Contribs /_Improve 05:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Please review WP:ATHLETE. He performed at the highest level in his sport. He even was good - with 16 Top 10 finishes in 89 races according to the infobox on the deleted article. Don't you think that I could find a huge number of reliable sources on him if I was actually given a chance? To speedy delete something means it was a very obviously bad article like "Tighe Scott is my brother". This isn't even borderline for a speedy. It definitely should have received a full deletion discussion before it was deleted. I can see why new contributors get turned off of Wikipedia in cases like this. If I were new, I would be p*#-ed off wondering what kind of articles are acceptable if something with a high level of notability gets deleted. Royalbroil 05:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The deleted text asserts: His best finish was a fourth place finish at Rockingham in 1979. His highest career season points finish was a thirteenth place in points in the 1978 season. Is NASCAR fully professional? If this was an amateur, would such a career outcome be taken as competing at the highest level of his sport? Gwen Gale (talk) 09:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Never heard of him before...--Jakezing (talk) 13:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I figured you weren't a fan. Yea, it's the highest form of racing in the United States and second largest in the world behind Formula One. All of its drivers have been had fully-professional drivers since at least the early 1970s with many before that dating back to the late 1940s. Every race since the early 1980s has been nationally televised and current races are televised in 150 countries. NASCAR races are the second most viewed sport in United States after professional American football in the National Football League (ahead of professional basketball, baseball, ice hockey, etc.). Check out the second paragraph in the NASCAR article. NASCAR has its own WikiProject. Last year's 13th place finisher Ryan Newman has a nationally-known household name for racing fans for many years. If you bring back the article, I'll add plenty of reliable sources to the article to ensure it meets the general notability guidelines. I stockpiled several in a note at the bottom of my talk page. I could probably find enough sources to write a good article on him. Besides his NASCAR career, he's one of the more well known New England region dirt modified racers. I was surprised to not find him in any halls of fame when I looked. Royalbroil 13:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Having a Wiki Project dosn't make it notable, Theres a wikiproject on alot of things, so you arn't getting me with that, and second, i only like real football, aka SOCCER to people like you.--Jakezing (talk) 13:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

True, but why would someone create a WikiProject on a non-notable topic or on a topic where only the main topic is notable? Anyhow, you should be convinced when you read how notable NASCAR drivers are from the second paragraph in its article. You should also be convinced by seeing the reliable sources that I noted to my talk page. Over the last few years, I've never encountered a NASCAR biography or team article that was deleted in a deletion discussion. When I don't understand the sanctioning bodies in some sports like cricket and "real football", I never speedy delete biographies for those sports. I think that someone should have at least a cursory knowledge in a sport before speedy deleting its articles. I'd be happy to start a deletion review on this article because I am certain that it would result in a snowball restore. Royalbroil 14:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know tonnes about car racing so I have an open mind about this but I do have some background here in dealing with assertions and citing of notability and going by the article, Ryan_Newman has won seven races, some or all of which look notable. Mr Scott has not won any, best he ever did was come in 4th. Moreover, I don't like boring "restore this or I'll take it to DRV" openings. Tell me why you want to talk about the article, not what you'll do if you don't get your way. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand. What else do you want me to say? I contend that he meets WP:ATHLETE as a racer in a fully professional sport, and I'm willing to do a discussion to determine if I am right or not. In fact he raced in the highest national series in his country and the top stock car racing series in the world. No where in WP:ATHLETE does it say that someone has to win to be notable in a sport. A few days ago I promoted a DYK article for a baseball pitcher that pitched in one inning in one game and did horrible by giving up 5 runs. Notability standards aren't based on high performance, although I contend that a Top 10 finish in any NASCAR race is a high level performance. I promised that I would add numerous independent reliable sources to the article to ensure that it meets the general notability standards in addition to WP:ATHLETE. Royalbroil 14:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

It's true that some topics can be notable within the bounds of community consensus and still read like A7s. Done, following your thoughts and the likelihood you can add some sources showing independent coverage. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for seeing past my bad attitude and vile tongue. I think my attitude was indicative of my confidence in my ability to defend this article at AFD. You'll be proud of the result when I'm done. Royalbroil 15:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Let me know when it's done, if you like :) Gwen Gale (talk) 18:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, what do you think

[8] Think it's a Sockpuppet? They both want ot add the infomration both are redlinked for talk and user... both in a edit war with the other guy... I think its a socky.--Jakezing (talk) 13:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Quack. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok? So, I don't like ot start some things without proof, it is fun to do that but it gets annoying when you have people who arn't easily confused to your side.--Jakezing (talk) 22:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

You might put {{sockpuppet|puppeteer}} and {{sockmaster}} tags on the user pages and see what they stir up. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Books

Hi, rather than add to the drama thread at ANI, could you clarify something for me? I've no intention of creating articles on books myself, and tend to avoid articles on them. But I do sometimes patrol new pages, so might come across the Jellyfist scenario again. looking at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Articles:

7 An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. This is distinct from questions of verifiability and reliability of sources, and is a lower standard than notability; to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable. A7 applies only to articles about web content or articles on people and organizations themselves, not articles on their books, albums, software and so on. Other article types, including school articles, are not eligible for deletion by this criterion. If controversial, as with schools, list the article at articles for deletion instead.

So if not A7 what code should a non notable book be flagged as, and is the test for CSD "has the book been commercially published", and for AFD "has it been independently reviewed or referred to as a notable work". ϢereSpielChequers 14:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, there is no way a book can be deleted A7. G11 blatant advertising will most often do for self-published stuff with no coverage, or G3 vandalism/hoax if the marketing spin strays into blatant lies. G1 can work if the article is very short and the context isn't at all clear. I tend to delete creatively written but non-notable book/poetry pages by kids and teens as test pages, to skirt hurt feelings (and lifetime hatreds of Wikipedia). Gwen Gale (talk) 15:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

OK thanks for the explanation ϢereSpielChequers 16:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Template Substitution

Hi there. When you add a UsernameBlocked template to a user’s page please remember to substitute it. If wish to reply please use my talk page and if you need help feel free to talk to me there or you may find Wikipedia:SUB helpful. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 16:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

As I said above i'm just trying to reduce the amount of needless bot edits. Bots cannot and shouldn't really be relied upon. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 16:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

As well as that I would like to say thanks for reverting the recent vandalism on my talk page :). ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I happened to be watching :) Gwen Gale (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)