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Baron Vansittart

Shouldn’t the title be Robert Vansittart, Baron Vansittart given that he had no son and that the title became extinct at his death? Or is it customary to mention "1st" anyway? 83.199.82.153 (talk) 17:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First is kept anyway. Also bear in mind that Her Majesty can recreate the peerage whenever she pleases. I have redirected the page you mentioned to this one. = ) --Cameron * 17:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but if she recreates it the new one will also be 1st Baron Vansittart, as the number start again with a new creation… 83.199.82.153 (talk) 17:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This also avoids confusion with courtesy titles. For instance, Henry Hyde, Viscount Cornbury is not the first and last Viscount Cornbury, but the heir apparent to the Earldoms of Clarendon and Rochester who died vita patris. Choess (talk) 21:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Vita patris" means dying before the father had done so. A lot of Wikipedia articles on the peerage use far more Latin and obscure language than is necessary. I'm aware, for example, that "issue" can't always simply be replaced by "children", but even so. 81.159.58.45 (talk) 05:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And, of course, in the case of Barons, with life peers (who are themselves distinguishable from courtesy Barons by the use of "Baron" rather than "Lord"). Proteus (Talk) 14:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Yes but if she recreates it the new one will also be 1st  Baron Vansittart, as the number start again with a new creation… [[Special:Contributions/83.199.82.153|83.199.82.153]] ([[User talk:83.199.82.153|talk]]) 17:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 :This also avoids confusion with courtesy titles. For instance, [[Henry Hyde, Viscount Cornbury]] is not the first and last Viscount Cornbury, but the heir apparent to the Earldoms of Clarendon and Rochester who died ''vita patris''. [[User:Choess|Choess]] ([[User talk:Choess|talk]]) 21:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::"Vita patris" means dying before the father had done so. A lot of Wikipedia articles on the peerage use far more Latin and obscure language than is necessary. I'm aware, for example, that "issue" can't always simply be replaced by "children", but even so. [[Special:Contributions/81.159.58.45|81.159.58.45]] ([[User talk:81.159.58.45|talk]]) 05:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 ::And, of course, in the case of Barons, with life peers (who are themselves distinguishable from courtesy Barons by the use of "Baron" rather than "Lord"). [[User:Proteus|Proteus]] [[User_talk:Proteus|(Talk)]] 14:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)