Talk:Celtic cross

Re old stuff, now gone

I would like some precisions about 2 affirmations :
<< Though other explanations of the Christian combination of circle and cross have been made, it should be noted that the "Celtic" cross is rare outside the former extent of Odin's cult. >>

• It should be precised the extent of Odin's cult ! In Ireland ? Certainly not in Britanny (despite Vikings' raids), where there are numerous Celtic crosses. And numerous "sun crosses" can be found in south of France and Hiberia.

<< A form of this symbol [sun cross] – with the arms of the cross extended beyond the perimeter of the circle – was adopted by Christians who often extended the lower arm in the manner of a Christian cross. >>

• Is it any proof of this "adoption" ? Or is it stated because a close representation ? Such a simple symbol may have different origins, no connected. When the Christian cross was held in Ireland, it was the Latin cross (lower arm extended). In an other way, we can say there are crosses in circles before the Christian era, but can we state a link ? In my opinion, the Christian cross come from the cross where Jesus died, and then adapted to various representations, which was easy with such an elementary symbol. Gwalarn 20:02, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Navigational Use

I moved the following text to this page. It looks like OR unsupported by any other researcher, and there are a number of missing facts: which instrument?, how was is it used?, was it actually used?

According to a theory by Crichton Miller, a Scottish researcher, the celtic cross, or rather the instrument that bears remarkable resemblance to celtic cross could have been used by Egyptian and European civilizations for nautical navigation. Depending on the size of the cross, it could allow to determine the geographical position on Earth to within 3 miles.

BillC 09:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

The celtic cross is present in Romania in popular art from a very long time.Radys 11:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

cross/rood

Is this bit about the word 'cross' coming from vikings definite, only i thought i remembered reading somewhere that it had come from irish..? I remember the book in question saying that the two words were both used for a while and i think it was cited as one of the few irish/celtic? words to be adopted into english... I may be wrong it was a long time ago and I cant even remember the book title!

I was always under the impression that the word cross came from Norse 'Kors', meaning cross. 91.105.157.243 (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Pre-Christian

I added a reference to the pre-Christian origins (or symbolism of the celtic cross) as an example the Callanish Stones on the isle of Lewis. It was constructed 3000BC and is celtic cross shaped. If anyone knows of another example please feel free to add. .Celtic Harper 10:10, 25th July 2006 (UTC)

Celtic cross and high cross

What are the differences between the Celtic cross and the High cross? Should both article be merged? If not, why? Thank you
David Latapie (✒ | @) 10:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The Celtic cross may originate in the High cross, but it may not, and is clearly not always high now. The High cross may not be entirely Celtic, having been crafted on occasion (in the Isle of Man and elsewhere) by Christianised Vikings and others. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.250.217 (talk) 22:34, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Celtic Lion

Hey just wondering about the celtic lion compared with the english lions... if any....

thanks!

Not as obvious, clearly, for starters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.250.217 (talk) 21:30, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Origins

I recently heard a contemporary historian of the Iona Community alleging that the Celtic cross originates there, and that the addition of the circle had a technical role in strengthening crosses of unprecedented stature (see High cross). The theory is plausible, but perhaps we also shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the Celtic cross also resembles a crosshair, a skeletal horoscope, as well as an archaic theta, perhaps therefore evocative of theos - as well as the eternal circle symbolism (and the design of a helmet with reinforcing crosspieces which proved decisive in ancient battle). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.100.250.217 (talk) 21:18, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Cross nowy

In heraldry the celtic cross is known as the cross nowy (from the old French for 'knotted').

"noué", knotted Gwalarn (talk) 15:26, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Political symbol

Too much is uncited. In my opinion, it is nonsense as well. If cites can be found, it can stand, otherwise it goes. Google "Celtic cross nationalist" and this article turns up first. patsw (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Ankh

 While the conjecture that the Celtic Cross may have its origins in the Ankh of the Coptic chursh is interesting, it is wrong to overlook the more obvious connection to the Sun Cross, a symbol long associated with the Celts.  The obvious fusion of traditions of the Christian Cross and the fact that the ancient Irish were sun worshipers with common religious themes of death and resurection are a much more plausible explanation then the leap of intellect to associate the Celtic Cross with the Ankh.  Usually the simplest explanation is right  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.163.81.170 (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC) 

Ankh???????

While the conjecture that the Celtic Cross may have its origins in the Ankh of the Coptic chursh is interesting, it is wrong to overlook the more obvious connection to the Sun Cross, a symbol long associated with the Celts. The obvious fusion of traditions of the Christian Cross and the fact that the ancient Irish were sun worshipers with common religious themes of death and resurection are a much more plausible explanation then the leap of intellect to associate the Celtic Cross with the Ankh. Usually the simplest explanation is right, and I would ascribe too much to a similarity or accident of geometry.