Talk:Sarah Connor (Terminator)

Lana Headly's body

Is is really necessary to quote the article in calling her emaciated? She's about as emaciated as any woman with a figure like that. Furthermore, the article is only available to Los Angeles Times subscribers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.177.220 (talk) 06:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the controversy about this is relevant. It looks to have been covered by multiple major media outlets now: the LA Times, the Boston Herald, and The Guardian as well as by online blogs and communities. I'm putting it back in, with multiple sources. I also advise the people who are removing it without edit summaries to discuss it here first before doing that again. Oh, and I don't have a membership with the LA Times and the link comes up fine for me. - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I edited a bit of bad text..Quote....

" 19 during The Terminator. (Hamilton was 34 during filming of T2.)"

It now reads..

"r 19 during The Terminator. (Hamilton was 34 during filming of Terminator 2.)"

Edited by Daniel Danger Molineux (danALLMIGHT@hotmail.com)

Name of article

Shouldn't this article be moved to "Sarah Connor_(character)"? As far as I know, whenever a character in a film/TV show/book shares a name with another person, they are always specified like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.234.65.6 (talk) 00:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The fictional character Callisto has the article title Callisto (Xena). However, for Sarah Connor, maybe Sarah Connor (Terminator franchise) may be useful to indicate that she's in the Terminator franchise, rather than a fictional terminator herself. Andjam (talk) 13:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

T1 picture

A picture of Hamilton from the first movie would be nice, if there's something available.
—WWoods (talk) 07:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Name

In the first film, her middle initial is shown on screen as "J.", but Skynet does not know her middle name (hence killing all Sarah Connors). The screenplays and the novelizations for T1 and T2 share writers, and the novelizations give her full name as Jeanette. No other licensed source (to my knowledge) has given any other middle name. Based on all of the above the inclusion of Jeanette is completely valid by Wikipedia standards.
If another licensed source gave/gives a different middle name, than the introduction should just use J. with an explanation later. However, unless such an inconsistency arises, and the reference is valid.
As for the article on Faith (cited by another editor), if Joss Whedon specified her surname, and there is no alternate surname in the licensed works, than it should be in the intro, with a citation. Neither when we find something out, nor how commonly it is used, effect its validity if it is not disputed by contradictory information.
—MJBurrage^(T•C) 21:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Further comment: See James T. Kirk for a good example where the article is at the most common name, but the intro line uses the full name. And later in the article an alternate name is discussed in context. We do not even have such an alternate name issue here. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 21:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm just saying, the name Jeanette is not objectively the character's middle name in all media. Rather, the article (which needs a complete rewrite, of the Jason Voorhees write-up style) should include how the novelizations expanded the character, offering the surname as a development which has not been specifically contradicted by the films.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

While a writeup on how the novelizations expands on the material shown in the films might be interesting, it does not change that there is no other middle name used in the franchise, and that it is properly cited (allowing a reader to come to their own conclusion as to its validity). Note that issues where there is some confusion (such as birth date) are covered later with the type of discussion you suggest, but that just isn't warranted for the middle name. It is well known that her middle initial is J., while it is more obscure that the J. stands for Jeanette, so while the footnote is necessary, exposition beyond giving the source is not. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 00:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The character is fictional, not real, which means that you do not "backtrack" information as if it was always there. This whole idea of "well, they never told us so that doesn't mean it isn't true" is irrelevant. It wasn't there to begin with, and no one knows about this middle name to begin with. You're forcing all versions of a character (whether canon or not) into one single entity, and that isn't how things are done. That is the entire purpose of not writing articles in an in-universe tone. We've been over this. You cannot treat them as if they are real, and YES, you are treating them that way if your argument is "well, it wasn't given before and the original creator is now doing it for this particular medium". It's something that was used to develop the character, it is not something that (A) was originally given to the character (B) is something that has become a staple of the character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

A character is a piece of intellectual property, and its name can be changed by the property holders as they see fit. If that happens than the "correct" name is the current one, (the "common" name would still be whatever most people call the character, but the correct name is what its owners say it is). The other names are part of the IP's history, but they are not more correct just because they came first.

Even if your argument was correct, then Jeanette would still stand in this case since the novel was available before the film was in theaters. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 05:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Dates on television show

According to other articles, it is said the pilot episode begins in 1998, but here it says 1999. Which is right?

Also, this article says the characters jump forward in time to 2007, but in the show, the construction sign they look at clearly indicates that it is 2006. Most references I have seen refer to 2006. It appears this contradiction needs fixed...

Medleystudios72 (talk) 13:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The dates are given on screen in the pilot, which starts on "August 24th, 1999" (on screen title), John is 15, and it's two years after the events of Terminator 2 (dialogue). The time jump is also shown on screen as from shortly after "09:03:19 09/10/1999" (on screen graphic) to "Target Date: 2007" (on screen graphic), and after dusk between "09-03-07 to 09-24-07" (construction sign).

Interestingly, another on screen graphic shows that the time jump is "T + 78892.31163". If that is in hours, then they would have arrived at around 13:30 on 2008-10-08. This suggests that at one point the script did specify a nine-year jump (either 1998→2007, or 1999→2008), but that it was changed to an eight-year jump (1999→2007) during production.

The second episode adds that Sarah spent "three years in a mental hospital" (voice over), and originally died on "December 4th, 2005" (dialogue). Also "John Baum" (John's alias) was born 07-22-1992 (birth certificate), and "Sarah Baum" was born on 02-06 (driver's license).

Before you ask, yes this means the show changed when T1 & T2 happened, when John was born, and when Sarah dies from cancer from the various dates established in the respective films.

Thanks for the clarification. Medleystudios72 (talk) 13:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Way too much plot detail

Like I said on the Derek Reese discussion page, there is far too much plot detail here. The movie sections are fine, but the TtSCC is far too long. Look at the John Connor page. That is what we are shooting for. Concise, to the point, and only covering what is important (role on the show, personality, etc.) At the rate these pages are filling up with plot info, we're gonna have to make a separate page for their TV personas, and I know that that is never going to happen. kingdom2 (talk) 20:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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