Talk:PlayStation 2

Criticism?

There is a section on the PS1 entry about the hardware problems experienced by the users of the console, so why isn't there a similar section on the PS2 entry? it's well know that many people experience some problems with the DVD drive and getting DREs (disk read error) with the normal use of the console. There is even a Class Action Suit going on against Sony for this reason, and again, no mention of such an event.

I just notices this was removed from the discussion page, and I really don't know why. It is an honest question, not an attempt of vandalism or flamebait. There is such a section on the PS1 entry, and I honestly think the PS2 entry needs one too. Again, I am not trying to attack the console or the company (I am a PS2 user, and a happy one at that), but those problems are real and well documented.

Removing PS3

I'm removing the PS3 section, this doesn't seem like an appropriate place for it.

Screenshots

• God of War needs enter. IGN: 9.8, Game Informer Magazine: 10 Mateusc 01:54, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

NPOV?

I think this article skews ever so slightly to a pro-PS2 POV.

It was not until late 2001 that the Microsoft Xbox became the second console with DVD support, although playing DVD-Video titles on Xbox requires the purchase of an additional module (containing decoder software and a remote control). However most reviews claim that PS2's DVD capabilities are still top of line the line considering when it was released even if XBox has sharper imaging.

While it's not a bad idea to mention competing consoles, it seems like the writer is trying to defend the PS2's capabilities against the Xbox.

The last sentence was reversed a few days ago from: "Most reviews claim the PS2's DVD support to be mediocre at best." In my understanding, mediocre is a better description. Didn't Sony improve the DVD support in newer versions of the console? --Mrwojo 22:31, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I don't think that that there should be any mention of quality at all unless it is amazingly good or horrendously bad, otherwise you'll just have far too much disagreement, since I don't think that's the case here, I'd just recommend removing any mention of the DVD playback quality and just make the statement that the PS2 is capable of DVD playback, and maybe that it was an early adopter of this feature. Also, I think that the text about the Xbox DVD playback should be removed entirel (and maybe placed in the Xbox article) as it has no real bearing on the PS2. Cvaneg 19:20, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

But the PS2 is famed for its bad DVD playback. This has to do with several discs failing to function (view or navigate) properly on the player. It is practically the only comment you ever see besides, though more often beside, "it can also play dvd's". --blades 01:37, May 11, 2004 (UTC)

backwards compatibility?

I'm not so sure that the comment regarding backwards compatability being an important selling point is correct. According to some research (admittedly carried out by microsoft) only 10% of PS2 owners list backwards compatability as an important selling point. Reference: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/22/ms_xbox2_backwards_compat/

Mini PS2

Is there a seperate article on the new mini PS2, or is this something that needs addressing here?

It is still called PS2, so this should be the right place. And the article already contains information about the new PS2 model (SCPH-70000), it just needs a picture.

Ok. But what about the dimensions etc. Being mentioned under the specification?

Yes, why not? --Tjansen 23:03, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Can someone check the copyright on the picture that has appeared on here of it? Estel 19:39, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

To disk or not to disk

The following paragraph was removed

The new slim PS2 would be a problem for certain game such as Final Fantasy XI which was released on a 40GB internal hard disk designed for the original thick PS2 console. Since the software was also published by SONY, it is unclear what SONY marketing direction is regarding the internal hard disk.

However, I think it is a relevant topic for Playstation 2. The Final Fantasy XI game was released by SONY Software on a 40GB internal HDD. However, SONY dropped the harddisk from the new slim console. i.e. SONY's software and hardware division is going in opposite direction. If the software were not released by SONY, then this would have been irrelevant. Kowloonese 23:45, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Fair point perhaps, I removed it mainly because of poor wording...(no offence) the FF11 reference was retained because it was a valid point. Could re-add the "confused" strategy thing; but I was wondering if it was the reader's resposnsibility to work out that the strategy seemed "confused" Estel 10:28, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Modchip

I believe there could be a reference to the purpose of the modchip mentioned in the article. My understanding is that a PS2 modified with the modchip allows you to play titles that are copied, thus getting around the proprietary PS2 game format. These modchips require knowledge of soldering techniques. However, PS2 systems with the modchip already present are available on Ebay. --Gbeeker 07:04, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I just found the modchip article and created the reference. It contains all that I would have added and much more. --Gbeeker 07:15, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

PS9 - Teleport Yours Today

== Sony heralds biotech in PlayStation 9 ==

By Jeanne-Vida Douglas, ZDNet Australia 13 September 2002

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In the run up to the launch of PlayStation 2, Sony set out its ultimate vision for gaming technology. In a series of commercials run in the US, the PlayStation 2 was hailed as a step in the evolution of the surgically implanted PlayStation 9 controller, tipped to hook up to the a transparent glassy globe which is the console through the retina.

With a launch date set for sometime around 2075, Sony has a good deal of time to iron out the technical and ethical issues surrounding such a proposition.

"The premise is that the PlayStation 2 is the beginning of a whole new evolution," Patrick Lagana, product manager for hardware and peripherals at Sony computer entertainment Australia explained. "There are all kinds of questions from an ethical point of view, and it is hard to see at this stage how they will release it, but the direction is clear."

In the meantime however, games console and peripherals vendors are focussing on providing ever more immersive technologies, enhancing the gaming experience through improved graphics, voice recognition, force feedback features, movement capturing technology, broadband connectivity and movement capture devices.

"Over the next couple of years we are going to see an even bigger jump in the quality of the graphics than we saw in the last generation of consoles," said Andrew Carter, vice president of development at games developer and publisher Infogrames Melbourne House. "Games graphic are not necessarily going to become more realistic, but they will certainly become more fantastic."

Although Carter is enthusiastic about the prospects of bio-interactive games, he believes it will take a lot of work between the console developers and medical scientists before any such device could get off the ground.

"The limitation there is more medical understanding at this stage," Carter said. "A lot of games could work fantastically well with that kind of interface."

VFD of PS9

This article, PS9, is undergoing VFD at this time, 02:30, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC). It should probably be merged into the PS2 article.

• The article was deleted, here is the archived discussion: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/PS9.

Removed MGS: VR Missions reference.

I removed the statement that Metal Gear Solid: VR missions fails to run on the PS2. I have that game and it runs perfectly every time.

"Two extra levels of vibration"

A comment in the article regarding the controller. My understanding of the DS/DS2 controllers is that they just spin the motors at different speeds to get different vibration effects, so I don't really understand this comment. Could someone explain? Sockatume 22:27, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

News from Mar 28, 2005 says that SONY was ordered by a US Federal judge to pay $90 million in damage to a California company called Immersion for patent violation of the vibration features used in many of its games. The order also require SONY to stop shipment of the Playstation console with such feature. SONY is appealling and they plan to continue console shipment while the case is in appeal. Some also pointed out Microsoft settled similar case out of court with millions of dollars. Should this kind of information added to the article? It seems to be major event regarding the game console. 67.117.82.1 00:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so, it's a relatively minor patent infringement case (it's $90M or less against nearly $20 billion in hardware revenue. If the case is settled a note might be added.

That's also not really an answer to my question. ;) Apparently MS bought a 10% share in Immersion as well as settling. Sockatume 05:55, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I hate galleries

Doesn't fit in 800x600. Whatever, I got tired of tweaking the images anyway. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 02:53, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Ace Combat a "killer app"?

I am wondering if anyone agrees or disagrees with Ace Combat's inclusion in the second paragraph as a "killer app". I myself am quite certain the series is nowhere near to the Metal Gear, Final Fantasy or GTA games in sales; it is in fact quite a niche game.

Logo

Old logo, placed here for months seems better. Someone disagree? --Mateusc 23:08, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

It's ok, I'm back with the name logo because is used more wide in market. --Mateusc 01:46, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Price?

Did the PS2 really cost $500 on release? I thought it was only around $200-$250?

I fixed the price history for North America (US).

http://money.cnn.com/2002/05/14/technology/ps2_pricecuts/

Somebody should check and fix the Japanese prices, if necessary.

Shipped does not mean sold

The pdf states Worldwide Shipment: 90.00 million units. Sony is known to use "shipped" instead of "sold" to give the wrong impression (in example, see Nintendo report, where it states "sold" units, not "shipped"). I am correcting the 90 million units shipped sentence. -- ReyBrujo 01:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Really now?

"(indeed, it could be said that the success of the DVD format was partly down to the PS2's ability to play DVDs, as the format seemed to appeal more to consumers after the console's launch)"

But this was only after PS2 was widely adopted for its ability to provide unlimited clean energy. :-P

Playstation 2 Logo with Picture

I think that the PlayStation 2 logo looks a little weird with the picture of the PS2 underneath. It also makes the entire introduction to the article seem... I dunno... wacky... what do you all think? PantherFoxie 03:27, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Europe price revisions

Is anybody going to add the Europe price revisions? There is only North America and Japan at the moment. PlayStation_2#Price_history. -- Thorpe ^talk 13:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)