User talk:Docu



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Unqualified apology

I want to apologize for mishandling the conflict between yourself and Bali ultimate. I feel really bad about this. After reviewing the entire situation, I think I probably was too quick to assume bad faith your part here. I made some statements at the thread (now closed and archived) at WP:AN that were rash. Upon reviewing the discussion on my talk page between yourself, myself, and Bali_ultimate I believe that I was too quick to conclude that you were acting in bad faith, and for that I apologize. For the record, I do genuinely believe that the problem can be resolved if everyone stops trying to indict each other and instead tries to find some common ground to work through. However, my behavior since that conversation has not been fair to you. Please accept my apology for that. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. What shall we do about the admin that participated in the debate and closed it ? -- User:Docu

I vote for "nothing". But you do whatever you think be the best thing... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 00:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It's a bit odd that an admin would do that with AfD debates .. seems too basic. One might add that he generally votes delete on X-Z debates and closes X-Z debates with a delete conclusion. As he mainly closes debates that missed the {{prod}} channel in the first place, I suppose that later point doesn't matter that much. -- User:Docu

Estonia–Luxembourg relations

Hello, I've recently tried to restore this page to a version which can be improved upon (a non-protected, non-disambiguation page) and I wondered if I could get your opinion about whether it is currently up to the quality which we expect of every Wikipedia article. I would appreciate your comments on the article at User:Cdogsimmons/Estonia–Luxembourg relations on the talk page there, and further improvements that would get it closer to inclusion status are always welcome. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 22:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

in light of recent discussions

Do you intend to date and time stamp your comments? LibStar (talk) 06:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if you don't want to say something, e.g. about this. -- User:Docu

Please answer my original question. your ANI is an incorrect use of ANI as it did not require any admin intervention, hence no admin acted on it. LibStar (talk) 03:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

If you re-read what you wrote and what happened, you might be able to think this through without any additional guidance from administrators. If you don't, please ask one, but refrain from posting here in the meantime. -- User:Docu

Please answer my questions regarding use of signatures. As an admin, you are expected to answer questions from other editors in a straightforward manner. I would appreciate a response. not a vague run around. thanks LibStar (talk) 04:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Please find another talk page to continue the discussion among yourselves. -- User:Docu

Its the person's choice if they want to, no rule violated. LibStar, you don't go around editing someone's sig, because you think it should be a certain way, and pestering them nonstop about it. Dream Focus 17:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

it's not just me, it's quite a few people (including admins) that have raised this as an issue. Admins as senior respected editors are expected to lead by example. having a standard sig facilitates easy communication. Ironically on the top of Docu's talk edit page says This is a talk page. Please respect the talk page guidelines, and remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). I'm aware that Docu has said that his keyboard inhibits him signing normally, some very helpful hints are located here. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive194#User:Docu.27s_signature_violates_WP:SIGNATURE best regards. LibStar (talk) 23:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Get over it and stop being so officious. Pzrmd (talk) 07:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm not the only editor to share the concerns, see the AN thread above. I'm all for admins leading by example on Wikipedia. LibStar (talk) 07:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

So what are you planning on if Docu doesn't listen? Pzrmd (talk) 07:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

There are many avenues when dealing with user behavior but the best way is to have direct discussion first if there are any issues. Of course, no one is technically obliged to sign anything in Wikipedia, but encouraging all users to engage in standard practice improves inter user communication and helps benefit all users in the overall Wikipedia project. LibStar (talk) 07:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

You supported Viridae's solution….I certainly hope you and the other officers don't discourage Docu from editing. As long as this discussion continues, I will sign the same way. —Pzrmd

thank your for emphasizing the point concerning admins setting examples for others. LibStar (talk) 23:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

You are totally welcome. —Pzrmd

I'm trying to help. Is something wrong? Pzrmd (talk) 04:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

No, thanks for your kind words. It just that we shouldn't nurture this too much, I still hope he is able to work it out for himself. -- User:Docu

CSRT

Hey, per this change to the templates to make them another colour; I'm conflicted, I think it goes against standard policy, yet I think it's an idea that has some merit. I was wondering if you wanted to (leave it with the new colouring for now) and propose a formal change of policy before Wikiproject:Templates? I imagine they'd agree that any templates used for in-line text, should have a distinguishing feature - and I wouldn't mind seeing it applied across the project in the same fashion each time. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 15:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it gets the template closer to policy as it makes clear that it's a template text. BTW, the conclusion of the debate was to remove the images or delete CSRT-Yes entirely. What do you prefer? -- User:Docu

That was not the "conclusion of the debate", the conclusion was "Keep". Do not misrepresent facts. And yes, I agree it brings in-line template use closer to policy, though I'd still like to see its use codified; but I think it's a positive change. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 16:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

In regards to the images, shall I ask the closing administrator for clarification ? -- User:Docu

Apparently he stands with the keep closure. -- User:Docu

Request for comment

A RFC/U has been started regarding your refusal to use a normal signature. Please comment there if you wish. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Among other issues, I suggest you chime in. seicer | talk | contribs 03:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. -- User:Docu

A number of users have brought into question your continued holding of admin tools, given your apparent refusal to acknowledge community norms or adequately explain yourself in doing so. Obviously a number of users are concerned by your behavior, and specifically by the lack of respect it indicates for our practices here. As I'm sure you are aware, administrators are expected to be examples of outstanding behavior in our community, and someone who refuses to respect our practices will have understandable difficulty in upholding them. I do respect your long tenure, here, but I feel obliged to ask: would you be willing to stand for reconfirmation of the community's support of your adminship? – Luna Santin (talk) 05:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting question. If you ask me, you should probably as other admins involved in the X-Y relation debates as well. -- User:Docu

Reply

I have never been an involved editor in content generation or debates on these articles. Commenting at a deletion discussion does not preclude from being able to assess an obvious delete consensus. Also it is amusing to get spurious advice from one who has closed many of these sorts of AfDs against consensus. Cirt (talk) 14:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

With all due respect your prior highly inappropriate actions on these "X-Y" type debates don't really make you the appropriate individual to give anyone advice about them. And please fully sign and time/date stamp your posts when you post to my user talk page. Thanks. Cirt (talk) 06:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I asked other people to comment. Check WP:AN - User:Docu

User page protection, adding YesAutosign to it

As this is a wiki, please unprotect your user page, or replace {{NoAutosign}} with {{YesAutosign}}. Thanks, Hipocrite (talk) 06:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

People kept mistaking it for the talk page. This is why it's protected. I will think about your suggestion. Please note this -- User:Docu

Question at RfC

I've left a question at your RfC under the #Comment from Anonymous Dissident section. I think the whole RfC is unneeded, but a whole lot of time and effort might be wasted if you could formulate a fair response to my query. It's up to you. Best. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)