Talk:Xbox 360

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Game Prices

The artical states that games like PDZ and PGR3 will 49.99$. I am fairly certain this is false because i preordered PDZ and was told it was going to be 59.99$ not to mention that all game sites uote the games as being 59.99$. I will look more into and make the changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.43.6 (talk • contribs)

No, the article is correct. On xbox.com, Microsoft-developed and Microsoft-produced games are $49.99, while third party games (EA, UbiSoft, etc) are $59.99. I think, though, that Microsoft is using their $50 pricing plan to ease the consumers into the new generation of pricing, so that they aren't hit with obserd prices all at once. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.208.17.115 (talk • contribs)

The Xbox.xom site also has PDZ for 60$ but its for collecters edition, didnt know it that was worth mentioning68.153.29.23 20:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

System Bandwidth

The 360's GPU is a custom 512MB graphics card with 48-way pipelines,and 525Mhz clockspeed made by Microsoft&ATi. System's CPU runs at 512MB/s GDDR3 Ram (700Mhz). Total system memory bandwidth is 278GB/s a/sec. with 21.6 frontside bus,and 32GB/s backside bus, 10.8GB/s southbridge memory up&downstream. Total TFLOPS is 115.2TFLOPS. Which makes the graphics and computer much powerful than any high end PC to date, and the 360 is exactly what people want to see in graphics,memory,CPU's,entertainment,online,etc. seven years from now. It has the exact mathmematics of a supercomputer easily. With real-time graphics that look 3x better than ps3's CGI, what more could you ask for from this multi-media machine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.13 (talk • contribs)

I agree (but opinions don't matter, the facts are right there). The Xbox 360 is a supercomputer, at least by its technical specifications. If only Microsoft marketed it as a "regular" PC and gave it some killer OS software, it would be a huge development for computing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.208.17.115 (talk • contribs)

More powerful than any high end PC to date? What people want seven years from now? Yeesh, tone it down a little. There are many areas of the XBox 360 that do not match up with a modern PC, though there are of course many areas where it competes quite well. In seven years, though, the XBox 360 will certainly be very outdated. --Yamla 18:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Now that I've double-checked, the total theoretical speed of the CPU is approximately 115 GFLOPS (not 115.2 TFLOPS, as claimed above). Compare this to the information given in the Supercomputer article and you will find that this is theoretically equivalent, though slower than, a supercomputer from 1994. Impressive, certainly, but much less than one one-thousandth the power of a modern high-end supercomputer. And remember, this measure of floating-point performance of the CPU is theoretical. Most of the first round of games will only use a single core. Even a program making efficient use of every single core is unlikely to hit 115.2 GFLOPS on the XBox360. --Yamla 20:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Graphics

i have heard that the graphics of the X-box 360 are so advanced that one can see the pores on skin. is there any truth to that? -J.L. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.10.61.86 (talk • contribs)

J.L., it is time that you discovered the magical world of texture mapping: Image:Tekken6.jpg --anetode¹ ² ³ 00:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Time Article

In the time article on Xbox 360 there is a quote from Bill Gates that gave the impression that Halo 3 was comming out on the PS3's release date. It might be important to note that Microsoft made a retraction notice. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61132 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grzesik (talk • contribs)

It's not a retraction notice per se, more of a clarification. I've added a link to your source in the main article. --anetode¹ ² ³ 02:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Remove and merge xbox screen of death link

user Mateusc created the xbox 360 SOD page and linked it to this article at the bottom, i dont think it warrents its own page and should be merged/ added somehow to this article.Tik 21:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Since the Xbox360 is based on the Windows kernel, wouldn't the information fit better at BSoD? --anetode¹ ² ³ 22:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

yeah thats what me and a couple others think as well, theres a discussion about it on that page.but i think the verdict is going to be merge the 2.Tik 15:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Lounge pics

I really don't have an interest in the Xbox 360 or video games in general, but I found myself across the street from Tokyo's Xbox 360 Lounge on Sunday night, and tried out my new HDV camcorder on it. Some frame captures are below, if anyone thinks they're appropriate for the article

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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan
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  Xbox 360 Lounge in Tokyo, Japan

--Calton | Talk 20:52, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

That's pretty cool. Kinda wish they'd add one to Tampa, Florida. CanesOL79 18:51, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Clean Up!?

Great works on the articles boys (is there a girl?)

anyway, good job

Although, lets just say i am a customer, who is looking for info on xbox360, me browsing thorugh wiki, and searched for "xbox 360"

Luckliy i got what i wanted, now to look for all information i need,

Looking at that articles, seems like reading a newspaper, i need something easy, so i can read the information without scroll down

The task for you guys (girls?) is to pack the information together, like pack it in a box

• The images, are just packed everywhere, why don't you all add them to the Image Gallery
• Some information needs to be seperated into another article, for less Contents
• The pricing and Packaging, shouldn't that be in a different article? like Chrome/Prenuim/Xbox 360 and Core System, Prices for each they should be togethr in another article, so people can know what the differences instead of packing all information just in one article
• The componements and Acceroies, should also be in a seprate article (remember ariticles are kb, accept the lenght/data packed in the article) so don't be afriad to do to many, do has much has you like.
• The "Hardware specifications-Viral advertising and alternate reality games" can stay. Remember the article says Xbox 360, it has to be about the name and console, and Components and accessories, or anything outside xbox360 should be a link to the article

Rememer, always listen to what the customer says, to make a better improvments.

if you don't listen to me...fine it's cool

>x<ino 03:14, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Agree, also did you notice LINK city at the bottom? that needs to be cleaned up. minor problem though Tik 15:25, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you to an extent. The introduction definitely needs to be cleaned up and beefed up, so random customers and google-redirects are given a quick and factual summary. However I think that images should be used primarily to illustrate the pertinent sections, grouping them in a gallery would strain the fair use rationale. The article is getting quite large, but the hardware specs and official components and accessories really should be the pillars of the entry. The marketing info, launch title lists, and release info could easily be combined and exported into a Launch of Xbox 360 article. The Xbox Live service already has its own article as well, so that section could be merged away, and the links should be trimmed. These changes would cut the article by about a third. --anetode╔╝ 15:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Number of Registers?

What's the total number of registers in the xbox360? the article states:

• Two hardware threads per core; six total.
• 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread.

So is that 6 * 128 = 786? What ever the case it needs to be clarified. 68.183.29.123 18:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

There is also a set of floating point registers per thread. Suffice to say that the total number is pretty large. --anetode╔╝ 02:59, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Who actually gives a damn about these useless specifications anyway? Do people say "I want an Xbox 360 because it has 768 VMX-128 registers"? --Optichan 18:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

The VMX-128 unit contains a 128×128 register file (128 registers, each 128 bits wide). One VMX-128 execution unit per core times 128 registers is 384 vector registers. Note that this is not the total number of registers in the CPU, just those used exclusively by the 360's SIMD units. I've clarified this a bit in the article. -- uberpenguin 14:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, for anyone who wants a reference for this justification, Jeff Brown's presentation at the last Fall Processor forum (titled "Application Customized CPU Design for Microsoft XBOX 360" [1]) is very good since it is directly from the lead IBM engineer on the Xenon project, and hasn't been systematically filtered through Microsoft's marketing and a thousand fanboy sites. Some of the highlights were posted by Brown on this blog. Scan the section on the design of VMX-128 briefly; it makes it pretty clear that each unit only has one register file. I'd definitely go by the engineer's reports rather than MS' confusing press release. -- uberpenguin 14:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Faked Undersupply

how often is hardware said to be undersupplied and it turns out not to be? other than the PSP launch (but it wasn't AS touted as undersupplied, IIRC, as the xbox 360 is being...) i pulled up no articles googling the topic. well, not under the search "xbox 360" fake undersupply. any other thoughts, search ideas, sources? Plonk420 07:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

• [2]12.220.47.145 00:18, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Real or fake, it caused one to go for $3450 on eBay. --badlydrawnjeff 21:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
• just like all the other eBay auctions you see on the news (xbox360 eBay media hype) with huge dollar values, that one is fake. The user's feedback is now private, and got -1 from the seller.WiZZLa 16:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Xbox 360 Degrees

Is it ok to put a link up to the site http://www.xbox360degrees.com/ the site seems to be kept up to date, and has helpful and useful news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kittydog17 (talk • contribs)

It is sometimes appropriate (see WP:EL for more information) to put up as many as one such site. Please justify why this article should link to xbox360degrees and not to any of the other sites that fit into the same category. --Yamla 00:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Well from my experience of using the site it does seem very quick with news, they have recently put up the list of backwards compatible games, and the confirmed launch titles, the news seems very regular and informative, I just felt that it was looked after enough to have the privilege to get a place on the Xbox 360 page on wikipedia --Kittydog17 07:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

The Xbox 360 was officially unveiled...

Important: 4 hours before the MTV program in United States the OurColony just placed the final challenge that reveal this Xbox 360 video. --Mateusc 23:19, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Grammar changes

Why points inside brackets? IMHO this isn't grammatically correct. --KuSh 08:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Graphics Chip Picture

I have uploaded the image File:R500gpu.jpg. This is an image of the R500 Graphics Processing Unit of the Xbox 360. Can someone change the image size and correctly insert it into the picture? Thanks. --CanesOL79 15:29, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

The image has been cropped, inserted in the article, and relicensed. --anetode╔╝ 16:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Universal Remote

At IGN, they showed the real picture of the xbox remote, it doesnt look like this, this is a protoype

the real one, looks Universal, please look to it

both pad an;t the same, the real on has something at the bottom middle, and some glowing green lights, while the one you got on this article is plain

>x<ino 02:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Tables

I've totally redone the "Retail configurations and pricing" and "Launch titles" using tables. It better shows the comparisons, and I hope it doesn't make the code too difficult to read. violet/riga (t) 23:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

great works on that >x<ino 05:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Xbox.com is down

Anyone know what's up with that? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 00:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

it isn't down to me >x<ino 02:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

It is down for me. I am guessing a lot of people want more information because it was recently released and also it is to be released in other regions soon. --Thorpe 20:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

10 reasons why to buy Xbox 360 and 10 reasons why not to buy Xbox 360

Maybe it’s a good thing to have this kind of information available. For a user his/her wikipedia goal for this specific subject, is to find out what the Xbox 360 is and if he/she will buy it or not. I was able to find a couple of topics on the internet about this subject. At ign.com I found these two topics: 10 reasons , 10 reasons and pc .ShotokanTuning 13:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Freedom and Microsoft? Lol, don’t make me laugh that’s the worst example ever. The topic about the pc games is very interesting. How come some of the reasons at Xbox 360 actually root against the Xbox 360 if you think them trough? I demand better reasons to buy a Xbox 360 and I want them now! Or I’ll wait until the PS3 comes out (hoping Xbox 360 has a few games worth playing by that time…) and make a decision. I won’t just make a wild move like last time with the Xbox... Don’t tell me that GTA4 rumor is true!137.120.12.17 13:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn’t able to find better reasons why to buy the Xbox 360, maybe somebody else had more luck? Thanks. The GTA team had a bias for Sony, why would that change? GTA never was that good anyways, it's only by GTA3 they got the hang of things, maybe GTA4 is nice.ShotokanTuning 13:17, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

North American launch

Anyone want to put in some details about shortages, errors and robbery of Xbox 360s? Not looking so good. Xbox 360 has rocky start at retail — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorpe (talk • contribs)

XBOX 360 bloggers swamp the web...Microsoft XBOX 360 Blog — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.139.53 (talk • contribs)

Worst launch ever?

Someone added that section. It was obvious written by a fanboy (in example, calling Xbots to the Xbox fans). While I agree there must be some section about the launching problems, it is too early to cite sources that base their reports in blogs and forums. -- ReyBrujo 13:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

yea, but fanboys know more!:D any way... " Immediately after the launch, isolated reports about the new machine's technical glitches started coming out. Some reported that the Xbox 360 "crashed", some reported the hard drive did not respond at all while a few others reported unusually fast overheating. Microsoft has stated that they will look into the reports and has offered assistance reachable by phone. "DAMN! that is what i have to say!, i pity those fools, when they call for assitance, Microsoft will get extra money, when those fools waste money over the phone. >x<ino 14:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

This is bad... Microsoft is starting to disappoint me now. ShotokanTuning 07:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Seems like a shitty console to me.. with all those overpriced, uninspired gamez, and overheated screens of death. imo,a no go.

Lock the Page

Should this page be locked due to the massive amounts of vandalism that are happening right at the launch date of the system? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.84.246 (talk • contribs)

I agree, After the "worst launch ever" section was added and deleted i think the page should be locked until things have calmed down. ~pure inuyasha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pure inuyasha (talk • contribs)

I strongly agree. The page should be cleaned up, then quickly locked. The vandalism is out of control. - RedHotHeat 17:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

External Links

The list is unbelivably long, and please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a link depository. I have allready removed many of the links, but the whole "futher reading" is huge and should be toned down a lot. Havok (T/C) 09:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Premium Hard Drive Size

The size of the 360 Premium's Hard Drive is 13 GB, not the originally advertised 20 GB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.193.154 (talk • contribs)

Wrong. It's 20 GB. --Brazil4Linux 03:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Well there is only 13 GB available to the user, as the rest is partitioned off for other purposes. Could make a note you only have 13 for personal purposes ie- game saves, music, movies, demoes etc. Taladar 10:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Crashing in Europe?

I'm living in Ireland, and have seen kiosks of the new console (out 2 Dec for me) but have heard nothing of it crashing. If it is power supply related, it is possible it won't affect Europe (I added that to the article) but, does anyone know for sure? Has anyone heard of it crashing/overheating on the European ones? Or does anyone know for sure, the opposite, that it doesn't affect Europe? - RedHotHeat 15:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Official name

The official name for their first console was "XBOX" (note the capitalisation) as mentioned in the documentation which came with the console.

Is the official name for this new one actually "Xbox 360", or are people on Wikipedia just mangling the name to make it look "better"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.55.251 (talk • contribs)

Actually, it seems it does not make any difference. Note how Microsoft refers to both XBOX 360 and Xbox 360 [3]. -- ReyBrujo 01:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Dead or Alive

Dead or Alive is not going to launch in Japan. Someone please fix that. Wisnodew 02:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

we need proof, resources, backupinfo or link to the site stating it, an article stating it or news >x<ino 03:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Just read it through RSS. [4] It seems it will debut on December 17 instead. -- ReyBrujo 03:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

HD DVD?

Does the Xbox360 have HD DVD? The article is unclear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.85.24.83 (talk • contribs)

No, the Xbox 360, at launch time, does not come with it. And although Microsoft stated that a new version of Xbox 360 may be launched in the future with HD-DVD or (or maybe even Blu-ray) support, that technology would not be used for games, in order to keep the compatibility between the original Xbox 360 and future released ones. -- ReyBrujo 16:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Connectivity

I've asked this before, but now that it's out, could someone fill in this table below with {{yes}} and {{no}} to tell me what X360 can and can't do? I'm not saying to use it for the article or anything though. Even if you only know one, fill it in.

	Windows XP	Windows Media Center 2005
Stream Video
Stream Audio
Copy Audio from
Copy Video from
Copy Audio to

- RedHotHeat 16:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Record from your TV?

Is it possible to record TV shows to the xbox 360 hard drive?