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Size in metric units?

What is the size of this submarine in the metric system?

Not "American"

Technically, Turtle (submarine) is not of the USA. The United States had not been created at the time of the turtle. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 16:44, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, it was in service AFTER July 4 1776, and therefore is USA. 132.205.95.43 01:52, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Except, "technically", there was no United States of America until the Contitution was ratified in 1787 or so. Don't mind me... just being evil. --Lord Voldemort ^{(Dark Mark)} 15:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Except it's retroactively USA, because July 4th 1776 is recognized as the day of birth of the USA, even if it's actually when Great Britain deigned to recognize the colonies independant. 132.205.44.131 00:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Propellors

In an article in Archaeology Magazine about the Turtle, it stated the screw propellors were anachronistic; the sketch is incorrect. If the author could provide a citation for the use of those propellors, that'd be great; otherwise the reference should really be deleted. Greyscale 03:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is interesting. About.com has a copy of the picture we are using here and a different picture with a different kind of propellor here See also this page which has pictures of both versions on the same page. Gzuckier 18:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The helical screw propellers were an anachronism. They were drawn for a lecture by Lieut. F.M. Barber in 1875, and the artist drew a propeller as he understood it. The Bachellor rendition is correct - there were opposing blades. Ezra Lee made two attacks in the American Turtle, and he wrote his recollections in a letter to David Humphreys in 1815. He described the propeller as looking like a windmill. (Yale Manuscripts and Archives) Joseph Leary (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Developing story

on CNN as of 12:46 eastern coast time there is a reactor with a working replica of the turtle being aressted Arrested on suspicion of terror for the craft was near several cruise ships in New York harbor, more info as the story develops. Celt88 16:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The news source given doesn't say they were arrested, it says they were detained for questioning, which I don't think is the same thing. But I'm not a lawyer so I have not changed the text. Rees11 13:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As an owner of a submersible roughly the same size as Turtle, I can say with confidence that the reason Ezra Lee could not penetrate the Eagle's hull was due to the fact that the Turtle would have been nuetrally bouyant. Without any upward force applied to the screw it would not penetrate- just bounce. If he had tried to increase bouyancy the sub would simply pivot to the side and then float to the surface. Also the illustration used is wrong in many ways and we should try to find one that is more accurate.Just-unsigned (talk) 18:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a Discovery Channel special on 'The Turtle'. They rebuilt one and tested it, it worked well. In the wiki article it was stated that the vertical prop wouldn't work, it worked perfectly in the recreation. The drill also worked to anchor the mine to a wooden boat. The buoyancy wasn't an issue because the bit only needed to touch the wood. Then like a normal drill bit, pulled itself into the wood, rather than being jammed in.

Replica's

I don't know if I'm the only one who noticed this, but logically a "recreation" of the craft could not have been constructed BEFORE the Turtle's destruction. Suggest you check your facts or at least rephrase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.17.33 (talk) 02:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spear Sack?

Is "spear sack" slang, or is it the proper name? I can find no reference to such a component on Wikipedia or the wider Internet - other than mirrors of this article. It would be useful if someone with more technical knowledge explains the principle to Luddites such as myself. Rje (talk) 03:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 As an owner of a submersible roughly the same size as Turtle, I can say with confidence that the reason Ezra Lee could not penetrate the Eagle's hull was due to the fact that the Turtle would have been nuetrally bouyant. Without any upward force applied to the screw it would not penetrate- just bounce. If he had tried to increase bouyancy the sub would simply pivot to the side and then float to the surface. Also the illustration used is wrong in many ways and we should try to find one that is more accurate.[[User:Just-unsigned|Just-unsigned]] ([[User talk:Just-unsigned|talk]]) 18:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
+There is a Discovery Channel special on 'The Turtle'. They rebuilt one and tested it, it worked well. In the wiki article it was stated that the vertical prop wouldn't work, it worked perfectly in the recreation. The drill also worked to anchor the mine to a wooden boat. The buoyancy wasn't an issue because the bit only needed to touch the wood. Then like a normal drill bit, pulled itself into the wood, rather than being jammed in.
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