Talk:Brokencyde

PhatJ's name is "Julian", not "Jason" ~PhatJ's Mom :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueFizz (talk • contribs) 17:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I suspect vandalism at the end of the first paragraph, mostly because before I went and fixed it, there were obvious and quite stupid typos strewn liberally about the sentence. I left in the text because, hey, maybe they are gay, I don't know. Probably vandalism, though. FloydianHate (talk) 09:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Screamo?

If we are to keep this article, we should make it as accurate as possible. The thing is, it is called "screamo". There is no citation. If no one gives a reliable link justifying BrokeNcyde being called "screamo" I shall delete that genre.

18:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)D33PPURPLE

Listen to the band, they scream their vocals in an emo style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.252.190 (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Emo style? That's a hardcore bark. Or croons in 90's emo. I have listened to the band and they have 2000's Post-Hardcore vocals, not emo vocals. But regardless, the genre is NOT defined by the way the singer sings. Besides, there are no sources citing Screamo, so I shall delete it.

D33PPURPLE (talk) 17:50, 30 May 2009 (UTC)D33PPURPLE

How do you prove something is post-rock, rap-core, alt country, etc.? It IS screamo--lyrics screamed high-pitched (as opposed to low-pitched in hardcore/metal) and the lyrical content is emo. There's no question. If we had some kind of poll asking "Is this music screamo?" 90%+ would say yes. That's all there is to it. Give it up. -KK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.244.70.201 (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

If a band has a singer or singers capable of reaching a high growl with their voice then people who know about this type of music will say it is qualified as 'screamo' or also reffered to by 'deathcore metal'.

Brokencyde is a 'screamo' band but they also have clear lyrics. Bands such as 'BRING ME THE HORIZEN' are fully screamo. The singer for 'BRING ME THE HORIZEN' oli (oliver) sykes uses is 'screamo' voice in all of their songs. To hear oliver sykes singing 'screamo' listen to any song on their new album 'SUICIDE SEASON'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.54.123 (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Screamo is not defined by vocals, screamo is more related to power-violence than it is to deathcore or "crunkcore". So unless you can say something beyond "herp derp, dey skram so dey must be skramo," then it should stay removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.166.153.180 (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Given that press agencies regularly attribute the style "screamo" to the band, the designation is appropriate. An anonymous contributor's personal opinion is not sufficient justification to change it. Chubbles (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Videography

Recently I added a video that wasn't on the article but it was..erased, the 40 Oz video which was recorded months ago and that also had a little cut up on the band's MySpace page and it is up on YouTube too , so there is the evidence that the video exists, can I or anybody put it back there?

Also taking away the video stuff, if you search among some download sites, you can find that the band is cataloged as screamo and emotronic. Bc13rox (talk) 01:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Download sites do not count as valid sources in Wikipedia. It has to be from a reliable source, not "some download sites". Otherwise, as one downloading site put it, the band Cynic would be Alternative Rock in Wikipedia.

D33PPURPLE (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)D33PPURPLE

Ah ok, I'm sorry about that, but anyways I am right with the 40 Oz Video thing, so, agree with that? Bc13rox (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, about the video...Yes, you can post the video, but I would recommend putting it at the end of the article as an external link. I forgot exactly where those links go, but I believe it is just above the footnotes. Sorry I'm not much help on this part. I usually just tidy up articles

D33PPURPLE (talk) 20:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)D33PPURPLE

Ok thanks...and I added the link at the end of the article, but I think that the description is not good...Bc13rox (talk) 03:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, saw your edit, and saw someone deleted it...I have no idea why it shouldn't be displayed. It is on the band's myspace page, right? If so, then yes, it is very valid and an external link should do.

If it is not fromt their myspace, proof must be provided that the video is official...

If it is official and it keeps on getting deleted I shall try and get that locked.

@ Revisors, why are you deleted the 40 Oz. Video?

D33PPURPLE (talk) 23:17, 4 June 2009 (UTC)D33PPURPLE

Attention All Page Editors

Here's the deal: Before you do anything, you should either discuss it on the talk page, or back your edit/revision with a proper reference. You cannot label the band "Screamo" without providing a legitimate source saying that the band is screamo.

If you have no sources, then you should not edit the article to what you would consider an adequate tag. This is called Original Research and Wikipedia Guidelines do not allow it. Thanks.

D33PPURPLE (talk) 23:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)D33PPURPLE

Here's a few:

• [1] - brokeNCYDE MySpace page bears the label "Screamo / Electronica"
• [2] LA Times music blog describes them as a "screamo-crunk act"
• [3] The Guardian's music blog describes them as a "mixture of screamo metal and crunk rap".
• [4] "Official" (?) Brokencyde Facebook page describes their style as a "blend of screamo and Top 40 hip-hop"

No offence, but this reads like a pretty standard Wikipedia genre argument: (1) I like genre x (2) I do not like band y (3) Therefore band y cannot possibly play genre x. --Stormie (talk) 03:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

brokeNCYDE

man wassup with people hating on brokeNCYDE i was at warped tour and people were throwing shit at them what the hell is that there was so many other bands they could of seen but no they decided to post up at the brokeNCYDE performence and throw crap check this out THEY ARE MAKING A NEW MOVEMENT IN THE WHOLE MUSIC SCENE whether they are labled under SCREAMO...RAP...CRUNK...ELECTRO THEY ARE STARTING A NEW GENRE and if people wanna hate on them for that then F#$K you guys....Another thing thats bothering kind of like the brokeNCYDE cituation is people hating the new METALLICA sound PEOPLE need to understand that you can't have the same sound for years and years if you listen to the new album DEATH MAGNETIC they go all out on this album LARS murders that DRUM KIT....kirk f@#ks up those solos and people say thats there worst album ever WTF MASTER OF PUPPETS is gone now people are so used to their OLD SOUND they can't make that TRANSITION to their neww sound....JUST LIKE BROKENCYDE people gotta make a new TRANSITION to this NEW SOUND...............BROKENCYDE WILL NEVER DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You might find this a more satisfying outlet for your frustrations. Chubbles (talk) 18:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

"New sound" happens all the time, but Brokencyde is not it. This is a fusion of two worn out genres. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.244.70.201 (talk) 03:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

"New movements" happen every 3 weeks. The ones that stay memorable will be remembered 5 years from now, and Brokencyde will definitely not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.166.153.180 (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Its because they are unbelievably shit, and any real music fan should be able to recognise that. "Screamo Crunk" is potentially the worst genre of music in history, and I assure you it will die out quite soon after its creation. Frankly I am amazed that you can like Metallica and like Brokencyde. Either you're not a real music fan or you're a kid who's just finding his taste in music. If that's the case, then hopefully you'll see sense eventually and stop listening to these shit bands. Its not a new genre; its a very bad attempt to combine several crap genres.

Video/Minor Details and some other things..

Hi there, again I ask (as up there it says that we have to post here before any change) to add the 40 Oz Video, it just came out recently: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.channel&friendID=85699815&n=85699815 Also if you watch some of those vids you will find that the screams aren't fake...So there we go again to the big discussion of the genre.. Other thing is the rating of the videos which makes it a well-listened band.

The recent album hit the number 23 on iTunes the day it came out, I can't prove it because of the fact that myspace erases the bulletins.. but if you go and read the comments of the album on iTunes, you will find there is one that says that couldn't believe it got in the top ten list...

Finally, why there isn't a little section on unreleased songs? Some of them went popular as one can find on youtube, or at imeem.com

Oh oh, I forgot something, if you go to the new album's folder, you will find that Mikl (as the rest of the band does to) leaves a note, and there it talks about the person that "broke" his heart, does that work to the "citation needed" for the Background? Bc13rox (talk) 03:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Please review the following guidelines for answers to your questions: WP:BAND and WP:RS. Please notice that Myspace and Youtube are not considered reliable sources. Any information that can't be verified independently of these sources will normally be removed. --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 06:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

ummm can you tell me when did I said to put them as sources? I didn't do it... I just mentioned the myspace video so the 40 Oz. vid doesn't go away as it happened to me a month ago, as we all have to check here before any change... also as down it says, myspace is one of the best sources for this, as they redirect their webpage to their myspace.... anyway, again, i never said to use myspace and youtube as sources this time (read up there is a little section about the 40Oz. video) so.. read all what one says before postin the guidelines twice again please. :) Bc13rox (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

by the way xD, could you help me with something? as you know so much here..and I admit I don't because some stuff have changed here in the past months, how can I upload the picture of the Broken! ? because I have the one that was here before the article was ereased again months ago, and it has a very good quality.. the problem is that i dunno what license should i select? if you can help me, thank you. Bc13rox (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Broken Inside

I found a source for the citation needed part on here where they say the idea of the name comes from being broken inside. Right here is the interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvInqiTvt0o —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mixernack (talk • contribs) 17:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Please review the following guidelines on what is considered an acceptable source of information on Wikipedia here: WP:RS and WP:V. Please note that this does not include Myspace and Youtube. I have left additional information on your userpage. Best regards on your future editing. --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 06:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Careful, there. The interview linked was added to Youtube by the publication that interviewed the band. The actual source here is Indiestar magazine; Youtube's just a conduit for their information. And considering it's the band themselves talking about their name, it's hard to argue unreliability. Chubbles (talk) 13:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I was not making any judgments on the reliability of the information. This article has gone to AfD four 5 times, and to be honest, I was about the only advocate for keeping the article during 3 of those discussions. I was attempting to make sure that the article does not drift back to the state it was when I first came across it a year ago on the AfD boards. Myspace links fall outside the guidelines as listed here: WP:ELNO, item number 10. I was also cautioning against using Youtube itself as a source, either on talk pages or on article pages. I did not attempt to remove the Indiestar source. There was no disrespect to the band or the editor intended. Best regards. --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 04:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

With their cracking the top 100 of the Billboard 200, I don't think there ever will be a serious AfD proceeding again, so no fears there. But this is a heavy vandalism target, so it's certainly likely that it will decline in quality before it becomes stable (once the band is out of the limelight; could be years). The Myspace shouldn't be used as an RS but it's an official site, which WP:EL permits (and we have a template for its use). Chubbles (talk) 03:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

All of this is true, however, in advocating for the link, the band faces being summarily labeled with "Myspace band" for as long as the link remains. It's a mixed blessing at best. If I were someone who was thinking of seeing Brokencyde on the Warped tour, and couldn't find an official website, but did find a Wikipedia article that read like a fan page and points to a Myspace page, I'd be not too impressed. In advocating for the removal of the link, I wasn't trying to diminish the article, but elevate it. If the community wants the article to look amateurish and have maintenance tags for the next year, who am I to argue? --OliverTwisted ^(Talk) (Stuff) 07:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Critical Reception?

I changed the section to "Criticism" because right now that's all that is there. RKFS (talk) 00:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but in the interest of neutrality it probably should be kept under the former title. I added an introductory sentence so it reads (slightly) less like a litany. Chubbles (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Attack...(even this tittle might be bad)

eh...has anybody noted that the pages of The Broken!, BC13, and the EPs were deleted? (<<obvious) they were deleted by haters as one can see on the discussion...the other users didn't pay attention because of that...and now they deleted them, even known that a big amount of fans like the songs of those albums, and the BC13 EP is a studio production, so...why those pages have to be deleted?...but the way i'm not saying without any source, look at the deletion page on The Broken!...Bc13rox (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh and another thing is that those albums were popular, if you check the comments on iTunes of BC13 EP you will find that people was annoyed that the albums weren't up anymore Bc13rox (talk) 21:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Being quite random at the subject...maybe this is a lil help http://theshuttershadescrew.com/2009/01/30/shutter-shades-indie-artist-of-the-week-brokencyde/ and this http://perfectlines.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/i-cant-believe-i-missed-this/ Bc13rox (talk) 21:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)