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Sociological content

Postmodernity has now got some sociology- related bits from postmodernism; but it still needs a lot of work. --Flammingo^Hey 13:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And it needs a lot of encyclopedia, obviously. --Flammingo^Hey 14:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Postmodernity v Postmodernism

I am not too sure how these two Wikipedia articles are differentiated / supposed to be differentiated. I would have liked to contribute to the Postmodernism article but did not want to "dig a deeper hole". Can anyone help? Mike Milligan (talk) 13:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It would be easier to respond to your query if you provided a more concrete explanation of what you want to contribute. Slrubenstein | Talk 15:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to me this article is superfluous owing to the far superior one at postmodernism. --Fliptank po (talk) 08:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing This Article

This article is too long, unorganized and needs more references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OregonD00d (talk • contribs) 09:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I don't understand anything! I came in here to get an idea of what "postmodern" meant, and this doesn't make any sense? What is postmodern? Can somebody give me an example?

The section on religious objections

There are several problems with the text below:

One of America’s premier Christian leaders, Dr. James Dobson, sees postmodernism as a system of thought that negates moral certainty. As of 2/2008 his webpage states: "Here at Focus on the Family, we understand the noun 'postmodernism' to refer to a philosophy or mindset that rejects the value of rational thought, denies the existence of moral and spiritual absolutes, and affirms the right and power of the individual to invent his or her own 'reality.' This way of thinking is incompatible with the Christian perspective because it denies the existence of a truth that is valid for all people at all times. In other words, it rejects the claims of the Gospel on principle, without even granting it a hearing." In the introduction to his Treatise on Twelve Lights, Robert Struble, Jr. states: "The postmodernist worldview dismisses all forms of absolutism from eras past, especially Judeo-Christian faith and morals; yet the postmodernists idolize absolutely their new secular trinity of tolerance–diversity–choice. Since 1963 they have employed a gradualist and stealthy top-down revolution to make this inanimate deity the governing paradigm of America’s culture and future society. We see much the same ongoing pattern of power plays imposed upon once Christian cultures in Europe and elsewhere."

1. First of all, Dobson is most certain not a "premier" Christian leader (there have been Christian leaders in the United States since before the Revolutionary War, and there have continued to be many since then), so it's probably a safe bet for that description to be removed. 2. Struble is most likely not notable, and the quotation of him in this article doesn't really add much - in fact, it's debatable whether or not that it is postmodernity, rather than modernism, that he is against. 3. Dobson's quotation might be more germane, except for the fact that if we are to take his words at face value, it's postmodernism, rather than postmodernity, that he is talking about. Also, I have a tough time figuring out if he is really grasping what either of those two terms are (what he describes as postmodernity sounds like a strawman.)

I'm only fixing the first problem right now, but what do you all think about the other problems with this passage in the article? Could things be clarified and the content kept but reworded? --Benfergy (talk) 23:52, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On second glance, the "postmodernism" and "postmodernity" confusion by the figures in this section only add to difficulty in grasping the article. Struble and Dobson's quotations are to be taken out, and I'll look further at McDowell's in the meantime as well.Benfergy (talk) 07:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes

Why is James Dobson's illiterate and ignorant view of postmodernity notable? Also, what does Chuck Colson's quote have to do with the postmodern at all? This section should be deleted. --Fliptank po (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 It would be easier to respond to your query if you provided a more concrete explanation of what you want to contribute. [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]]   |  [[User talk:Slrubenstein|Talk]] 15:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
+:Seems to me this article is superfluous owing to the far superior one at [[postmodernism]]. --[[User:Fliptank po|Fliptank po]] ([[User talk:Fliptank po|talk]]) 08:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 ==Fixing This Article==