Talk:Out Run

I remember seeing this movie called Donnie Darko (someone made an article about it if you want to see it: [[Donnie Darko]]) and in the movie he was playing this game. Donnie was at an arcade with the girl he likes and the he was playing the game and she was talking about...well I don't know what she was talking but the scene ended with Donnie "crashing" the car on the side and being all right, meaning he meant to do it .I just wanted to point that out and hope someone would add this to this article under the trivia section. I would put it in but I'm still new to this Wiki stuff. Not to mention I only watched the movie once so if anyone out there can elaborate that, Ive be thankful.

Oh and I dont understand that Summary thing so plz dont be angry for me not filling it.

A the heck with it

I played around with Wiki so I decided to just go ahead and input the Donnie Darko reference, where he is playing the game but I only saw the film once cuz it belonged to someone else and I had to return it. Anyways anyone who saw the film, feel free to elaborate it more. - TKGB

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I checked out that Donnie Darko movie again and couldn't find a scene with OutRun in it, there isn't even any scene in an arcade. BdR

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The donnie darko scene is a deleted scene that can be viewed in the extra features. Will

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.73.89.132 (talk) 18:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Boys/men are not brunette, boys/men are brown haired. Ladies are brunette.

Well, first of all, the word was initially "brunet", which, at least in the original French language, is the masculine of "brunette", so there's someone out there who changed it, and who doesn't get the difference between "brunet" and "brunette". 2004-12-29T22:45Z 17:30, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

WTF ? In french we say "brun" or "brune", "brunette" is purely english and I've never seen "brunet" ever.

Pricing

It talks about pence, it should make reference to at least the US dollar, and Yen if anyone knows.

Routes

Some players consider that the easiest route was that leading to Goal A (i.e. by turning left at each fork), and the most challenging was that leading to Goal E.

I removed this and it's been put back again. I removed it because I think that what some players consider easy or hard is pretty irrelevent, and it certainly fall foul of NPOV. I'll leave it alone for now, but I'll remove it again unless anyone comes up with a good defence for it...

Removed again.

The game itself labels the upper routes as "easy" and the lower as "hard" on the map screen. Tim (Xevious) 16:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Oops, that's OutRun 2 ... Tim (Xevious) 16:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

PSP Version

I removed the Sony PSP from the release list. The only OutRun game to hit the PSP is OutRun 2006 Coast 2 Coast, which is not a port of OutRun. If it was released on the PSP as part of another game, then edit it back in under the appropriate section with the name of the game it is featured in.

Route Names

My feeling is that some of the facts stated below the route plan could be construed as original research. I don't think it is appropriate to explain what can be deduced from the route plan. I would particularly question the "most time efficient route" (and this is mainly why I added the template) - on what basis was this worked out and how is it verifiable? Perhaps these routes are the shortest, but they may not be the easiest. Halsteadk 18:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Sumo Digital involvement

Sumo Digital worked on the original? I thought they were only involved with the development of OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast. Clarify, please. Alex (talk) 07:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Link to that Drink Driving thing

Great, some bot ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:XLinkBot ) took out the link to the YouTube clip of that drunk driving PSA and now its gone back to saying "citation needed." I'm not going to put the link back up immediately since I know better but I'd at least like a bit of a discussion over whether this was the right thing to do or if there's an alternative course of action. So pissed over it, bots can't appreciate the context of a link, it removed it purely because it was a YouTube link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.234.88.254 (talk) 10:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

PC-DOS version

Was there a PC-DOS-specific version as the article says, or does it just mean MS-DOS on the IBM PC compatible? Cpc464 (talk) 06:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

“Ports”

The heading says “ports” but this was an 80s arcade game and the games listed were conversions, not ports. Back in the 80s, there was very little porting being done. I tried changing the title to “conversions” but someone changed it back. Can anyone give a good reason for this saying “ports”? Otherwise I will change this back to “conversions” in a few days’ time.

Grand Dizzy (talk) 20:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The standard section on Wikipedia is called Ports, hence the change. And while you may believe what you're saying, that's not industry standard - Port and Conversion are interchangeable, and have been used as such since that time. They define the process of moving a game property from one platform to another, and do not imply a specific process. A simple look at interviews with programmers from the time such as here and the many notable interviews here, verifies this. In fact in the Halcyon interviews, Port is actually used much more often by the industry veterans to describe it. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, Marty. I’m still not convinced though. Read the Wikipedia entry for porting, under “Porting in gaming”. This says that early “ports” were not true ports, because they weren’t actually ported. (Also note the Wikipedia article Video_game_conversion which, oddly, refers to all ports and conversions as “conversions”.)

I have been a big fan of videogames since the 80s, owning many different home computers, but I don’t ever remember hearing the expression “port” until the mid 90s (at the earliest). That’s not to say porting didn’t exist back then, it did (games were ported between home computers), but it wasn’t called porting. And any arcade games on a home computer was called a “conversion”. I must have read that word thousands of times as a kid: Spectrum conversions, C64 conversions, Amiga conversions, Atari ST conversions. There was no such phrase as an “arcade port” in those days.

If there is a Wikipedia policy on all conversions being called “ports”, is this a specific page that you can point me in the direction of, or are you just inferring the policy based on the number of games Wikipedia mentions which do (quite correctly) list “ports”?

Either way, I think all pages regarding converting/porting need to be updated and made consistent, either to discriminate between what is technically a conversion and a port, or to enforce the re-naming of all conversions as “ports”. Although I don’t see any reason for the latter personally. There are two different words because they mean two different things. Merging them into one word loses clarity and gains nothing. If you can explain what is gained by merging the two, I am happy to hear it, but I can’t understand it at present.

Analogy: here is an analogy. In the 70s, music was on vinyl. Now music is on CD. CD is the modern-day equivalent of vinyl. But if you wrote a Wikipedia article about a 1970s artist, you wouldn’t refer to their hits as “CDs”, just because CDs is the modern equivalent. That would be incorrect. If you wanted uniformity across all your articles, however, you might refer to their hits using a general term that can apply to both vinyl and CD, such as “records” or “recordings”. Transferring this back to our original scenario, you can’t call a conversion a “port” because that’s a modern equivalent, but not the same thing. If you want uniformity, you need a general term that covers both conversions and ports. I don’t believe either of the two terms covers both, so the best you could do for a generic term would be “conversions and ports”. But you can’t treat them both as the same thing because they’re not.

A conversion has been painstakingly recreated based on the original. People have spent a lot of time developing it and it is effectively a new game (many conversions in the 80s often were radically different from the original game). A port, however, is just the same game tweaked to work on a different system. It is by definition a clone of the original, only adjusted to fit the hardware limitations of the new machine. These two things are very different. They have nothing in common apart from the fact that they both transfer a game from one platform to another.

They can also be described as “emulation” and “simulation”. A port is an emulation, while a conversion is a simulation. Emulation geeks will tell you they are fundamentally different things. The game Pong was removed from MAME because it was deemed to be a simulation and not an emulation, since the game was hardware only, so there was no ROMs/code to emulate. MAME is strict about only supporting emulations, in other words (ports) and not simulations (conversions). Grand Dizzy (talk) 23:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)