Talk:Mazda6

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Utter Shamelessness

This article reads like a damn car commercial. It's obvious Mazda had it's technical people put up this article. Mazda, you are shameless sell-outs, you'll even compromise education and knowledge just to make a buck.

Atenza

Isn't this car called the Mazda Atenza in Japan? Is this worth noting? ---> Yes, this car is called the Mazda Atenza in Japan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buhin (talk • contribs) 18:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Edited

It is very obvious in this article that only the American awards are noted. Therefore, I've included a British gong.

I also got rid of some of the 7 competitors listed. It now has an American rival, a budget rival, a European rival and a prestige rival. I removed the MKXlink aswell - rather irrelavent apart from the platform.

Gran Turismo

• Forgive me, but is there really a need to have a link to the cars in a video game on this page? The fact that it is in Gran Turismo in different forms doesn't seem like a useful piece of information for an automobile page. I checked the Ford Mustang page, and it doesn't list anything, and both of these cars are built in the AutoAlliance International facility. Figgie123 18:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Naming

This should probably have stayed using the most common name, Mazda 6, versus the Atenza name, used only in one country. Friday (talk) 18:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Only Japan uses Mazda Atenza while this is the english version of wikipedia, I think we should move the page back to Mazda 6 opinions? Sox23 18:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

According to the edit summary, it was renamed per Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Proposed naming convention, but that's not a real guideline yet, and I don't see where it supports such a rename. Even if this were a guideline and it said we should use the home market name, I'd still disagree in this case since this very common car has a single name by which it's very widely known. There's no way a country-specific name should take precedence over a name commonly used throughout the world, in my opinion. Friday (talk) 18:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

If the naming is going to stay, then quite a bit has to be re-edited as this article is written from the perspective of Mazda6. North wiki 02:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I have moved the page back to Mazda 6 Sox23 04:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

But... the revision history of Mazda Atenza...

06:07, 11 March 2008 OSX (Talk | contribs) m (moved Mazda 6 to Mazda Atenza over redirect: as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Proposed naming convention) (undo)

I am not agree with him. And I agree that Sox23 said, Atenza name used only in Jpn. -- 202.28.25.71 (talk) 07:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The model name outside of Japan is "Mazda6" as one word only not "Mazda 6" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.173.152 (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk Page

How can I go to the talk page of Mazda6? It looks this is the talk page of Atenza. North wiki 02:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Platform of 2nd Gen

From the specification of Euro version, it looks like it is more closely related to a Ford Fusion, i.e. still based on the CD-3 developed by Mazda, rather than the EUCD of Ford Europe. North wiki 02:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge

The Mazdaspeed6 should be merged to this article, its only one variant of this car and it its now quite shortly article anyway

Absolutely. The proliferation of stubby articles on performance variants of regular cars is rather worrying. PrinceGloria (talk) 00:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

For Thailand?

assembly: Rayong, Thailand (for Thailand)

What I know is Mazda 6 is not available in Thailand if who want the 6 are not import it from outside Thailand. --Love Krittaya (talk) 17:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Transmission (Second generation)

Transmission(s) 5-speed automatic 6-speed automatic (mated with V6 for NA market only) 5-speed manual 6-speed manual

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6-speed automatic is not only for NA market but also JP market

https://ssl.mazda.co.jp/purchase/estimate/atenza-sedan In japan, you can choose the Atenza with 4WD and 6AT. The transmission is mated with I4 2.5L engine.

Allenwml (talk) 15:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)Allenwml

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was support for move, and per our well-settled common names guideline. I have considered the opposition and find it wanting. The article should be at the name far more commonly used, known, and likely to be searched by English language speakers. The opposition argument using Mazda6 verses Mazda 6 to show neither is the common name actually lends support for the move as the common name, rather than argues against the move as it was offered. The two forms of the same name with a spacing difference combine to show an even larger disparity between some form of Mazda followed by 6, as compared with Mazda followed by Atenza. We use the "Principle of least astonishment" when we think about Wikipedia title disambiguation. A person searching for Mazda6, Mazda 6 (or any close variant) will not be surprised by finding themselves at the one over the other, but they certainly will be astonished when finding themselves at Mazda Atenza.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

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Mazda Atenza → Mazda6 — Per WP:COMMONNAME and per Talk:Mazda3#Requested move. The car is available worldwide and well-known as "Mazda6", according to the article, the current name "Mazda Atenza" was only used in Japan. Aubergine (talk) 01:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support as nominator. Aubergine (talk) 01:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
• Support per nominator. These names originate from a naming convention adopted by WikiProject Automobiles which, in my humble opinion, directly conflicts in many cases with our common name policy. The convention is documented here. Specifically, it says: "Article titles shall bear the name used in the original market by the original manufacturer or marketer, regardless of sales." As I've said before, I don't think a local consensus between the contributors of a WikiProject can override a Wikipedia-wide established and accepted policy. Jafeluv (talk) 07:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - contrary to what Jafeluv says, the move would not really be to a more common name. "Mazda6" returns 3,200K Google hits, while "Mazda 6" gives 3,240K. The "Mazda6" spelling is favoured by the manufacturer, but WP:NAME tends not to conform with marketing and branding tactics, but rather keep with the name used in common parlance.
  To substantiate my point, EuroNCAP, Car & Driver and JD Power are among the media using the "Mazda 6" spelling, and you can Google many more instances of that. The situation is the same in print media. Moreover, many English-language media would refer to the model as "Mazda Mazda6" or "Mazda MAZDA6". Furthermore, this Edmunds article uses "Mazda 6", "Mazda6" and "Mazda MAZDA6" spelling in various places! So, all in all, "Mazda6" can hardly be argued to be the "most common name". There are many names used for the car, and the move from "Mazda Atenza" wouldn't really be in the spirit of WP:NAME. Having said which, I would argue the general WP:NAME wording have little application in the case of car models, as in many other exceptions regulated by more specific rules, such as fauna and flora or geographical names. The convention adopted by the WikiProject has been serving very well to cut through the plethora of different marketing and branding tactics adopted by automakers, and even in cases such as this it has not generated by much controversies for two years running, as can be evidenced by this talk page.
  Obviously, the WikiProject can be accused of laziness and indecision for not submitting the convention to be included in WP:NAME as part of official guidelines, yet I would like to inform the closing admin a discussion on that has just started within the WikiProject and will obviously take some time. I treat this move request, as the Mazda Axela one, as it reeks of fait accompli tactic to both influence the discussion and circumvent the convention before it becomes official.
  I do not see any benefit in changing the name, and as a non-American and non-native English speaker I do perceive this as a, probably good-faith for all intents and purposes, as a manifestation of Systemic Bias. I do not think all articles need to be called what some US Americans would call them, and do believe it is stretching of the good-faith rules of WP:NAME, which obviously were designed for more general purposes and did not forsee such complicated cases as car names.
  I do hope my comments will not be disregarded by the closing admin as with the Mazda Axela case. I am ready to expand, discuss and further substantiate my case should need be. Kind regards, PrinceGloria (talk) 17:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment As I said before, it makes no sense to count "Mazda6" and "Mazda 6", there have the same visual recognition and the same pronunciation. The average reader will make the connection between the two immediately, which is less likely for "Atenza" given it's use is restricted to a small geographic area. That they have such recognition is exactly why "Mazda6" and "Mazda 6" are mistaken, both convey the required information in an unambiguous way,

I resent the accusation that I am stretching "the good-faith rules", the accusation of "systematic bias". In an English-language encyclopedia, I simply cannot support a name that has no recognition in the English-speaking world when an alternative that is well-known exists. By extension, I cannot support a mislabeled convention that promotes the same. I doubt I am alone in those sentiments, so your convention is by no means guaranteed to become official. Not that it's relevant, but I'm not American either, so what the American name is not especially important to me; the English-language name is, though. Finally, I doubt your comments were disregarded (speak to the closing admin if you think they were). As the sole dissenting voice, they just didn't match the consensus reached on the page. Aubergine (talk) 18:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

PrinceGloria, you were talking about this convention nearly two years ago. If it's not ready by now, do you really expect people to hang around waiting for it? Give it up, already. See the above discussions about naming. Your claims of bias are ridiculous. This is the English Wikipedia. This car has a name common to the entire English-speaking world. No amount of emotion-laden pleading can change this. Friday (talk) 19:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support per standard practice. We use common names here. I don't care what some wikiproject says. Friday (talk) 18:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support per Mazda3 and Izuzu Trooper. Hippo (talk) 16:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.