Talk:ECW World Heavyweight Championship

World Title Status and/or the "complementing the Raw and SD titles" clause

One more evidence piece for you to examine: Breaking Point was supposed to be a PPV with the stipulation that the main events would be submission matches. The only submission-style matches were the WH title, the WWE title and the DX match. Since the WWE gave main event status to Raw's M.E., SD's M.E. and a specialty main event in the DX match's case, but not the ECW title, which was technically the M.E. of ECW, I can only assume that it is because WWE currently sees ECW as below Raw and SD and consequently, the main title of ECW as below those of Raw and SD. Therefore, I feel a distinction should be made between the WWE/WH titles and the ECW title. (Seantherebel (talk) 22:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)seantherebelSeantherebel (talk) 22:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC))

WWE had the IC Championship as the main event of SummerSlam 1992. What's you point? At No Way Out, the WWE Championship match was the first match of the night. This issue has been discussed ad nauseum and I don't feel like getting into it again when consensus has been made. TJ Spyke 22:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Seantherebel I got you one better. This will prove you wrong entirely and end this once in for all. SummerSlam 2009, before the ECW Championship match got underway, clear as day Matt Striker said "This is one of three world heavyweight championship matches to take place here at SummerSlam tonight". The ECW Championship is a world title. Get over it and move on.--WillC 04:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Well that quote from SummerSlam was, "This is the first of three World's Championship matches here at SummerSlam as Captain Charisma electrifies the Staples Center here at SummerSlam."

Now also at Breaking Point during the ECW Championship match... another Striker quote... "Josh, to illustrate the global impact of this contest, if William Regal wins the ECW Championship, he'll become the 9th non-U.S. born superstar to capture a World Title in the last 15 years. The WWE has certainly gone global and who better to wear the crown than William Regal." ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 04:43, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't remember the exact quote so I tried my best. You get the point either way.--WillC 05:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

-- You do realize that sometimes what the commentators say is all talk for show, right?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.255.41 (talk • contribs)

Yes but the ECW title is still stated as a World Championship. And this is stated not just by the commentators but by WWE itself.--Dcheagle (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Also keep in mind that Vince McMahon is always on the other end of their headsets and often feeds them lines as well. Now considering that these quotes are from two separate events... well what does that tell you?^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 00:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

One thing that separates WWE.com from on-air personalities like Todd Grisham, who has buried the ECW brand and their respective "world" title this year and CM Punk, who claimed that Matt Hardy never was a world champion (though he maybe referring to the shortened moniker of the specific World Heavyweight Championship), is the fact that WWE.com is a published article run by the company and therefore is a more viable source of information. I do not even recognize the ECW Championship as a world title, but it is only my opinion and WWE.com's sources prove otherwise so we just gotta stick with it.

Oh and if someone wants to try and use the PWI Debate against the status of the ECW Championship again, they have to think otherwise, because as far as I know, even PWI recognizes the ECW Championship as a world title now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.61.200 (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

But Seantherebel is correct. The ECW Championship is simply not a world title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark G Craig (talk • contribs) 21:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

This has been discussed to death. The fact is that the title IS a world title, end of story. There is no disputing that. Some people like you and Sean may not think it is, but it IS a world title and you are wrong. TJ Spyke 21:06, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The "PWI argument" may be boring to proponents for the ECW Championship as a world title, but it's one that's never been tackled. PWI has for many years been the soundest reference point for any wrestling fan and the gold standard in wrestling journalism. They do not recognize the ECW Championship as a world title, therefore it should not be referred to as such. Mark G Craig (talk) 21:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

You have no proof of that. Under your logic, we also would not count the WWE Championship as a world title either. There is nothing to say the ECW Championship is a world title. You know what, i'm done. This issue has been discussed over and over and over and over. PWI's opinion has been part of that. You and anybody else who is a non-believer can say and think what you want. The ECW Championship is a world title and the article will continue to reflect that. TJ Spyke 21:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Except that it HAS been tackled, multiple times. PWI's view is simply the opinion of it's handful of editors. They have no authority over WWE, any other promotion, or wrestling at all. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

"PWI has for many years been the soundest reference point for any wrestling fan and the gold standard in wrestling journalism." Sure, it's a bunch of writers, but nobody has yet argued against this infallible point. PWI, of legendary status among wrestling fans, does not recognize the ECW Championship. Add the this the fact that there is confusion between WWE's own employees as to whether it is a world title, and the fact that the vast majority of wrestling fans do not regard it as a world title, and you have a belt which is simply not of world title status. I've not seen anything convincing to counter my argument, despite being outnumbered by hollow arguments, so I've removed the word "world" from the opening. Mark G Craig (talk) 21:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Consensus on this is very clear; I've reverted your edit. This has been discussed to death (check the archives of this talk page for just a fraction of the discussions). Consensus is that PWI's opinion is irrelevant and it's the opinion of each promotion as to what is or isn't a world title. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thoroughly unconvincing response. Could someone please address the points I raised in my previous post. Mark G Craig (talk) 22:02, 14 October 2009 (UTC)