Talk:Neon Genesis Evangelion (manga)

Manga content in character articles

I'm glad to see this article getting off the ground. Here's the first question regarding content, and it may be a doozy. Currently, there's a lot of material in each of the main character articles about their portrayals in the manga vs. in the anime. Should that material be left in each character's article or moved here and condensed some? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

If the differences seemed to add up to any sort of coherent aesthetic or plot difference, I'd say merge'em here; but AFAIK, they don't add up to anything substantial (so far), so I think summary style should rule here: the differences in Asuka's introduction and coma are important to the Asuka article, the differences in Kaworu's activities and feelings are important to the Kaworu article, etc. --Gwern (contribs) 03:54 17 April 2007 (GMT)

While I agree that we should not simply just rehash the anime article, the article needs to be formatted to be "stand alone" rather than simply a list of differences. Even if it's left in summary or overview (with appropriate) links it will be better than simply having a whole bunch of "trivia" style points. Stextc 22:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

11 volumes?

Has the 11th volume been released in Japan yet? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 14:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't think so. Some people on Eva-ML were saying something about the latest stage being delayed. --Gwern (contribs) 17:36 7 May 2007 (GMT)

*sigh* Greeeat...go figure. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 18:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The 11th volume has been released as I have read it already. (John Ryan)

I checked Kadokawa's site and they're advertising vol. 11, but I couldn't find any reference to the manga on Viz's website. Has any word been released on when the translation is going to hit stores in the US? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 14:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know about how much time there is between the release of the collected volumes in Japan and in the USA? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Varies. I suspect the last few volumes will be on the order of a month or two, but for the early ones, the lag would be years. The bibliography has the English releases, and a few Japanese release dates are mentioned so... --Gwern (contribs) 12:56 21 June 2007 (GMT)

Amazon now has a release date of November 11 for volume 11...'bout damn time. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Wait...

I thought NGE was one of the few animes to be made before the manga was. Is this true or false? --Whsitchy 03:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

That is TRUE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiloalpha (talk • contribs)

Going by the release dates, it's not. The manga was released in Japan in late '94, while the anime made its debut in '95. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Technically, the anime was already in pre-production when the manga was being created, merely as an afterthought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.159.4.50 (talk) 22:27, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Plot summary

I notice the Spanish wiki (a link to which was recently added) has a relatively detailed breakdown of every stage and thus every volume. Think a similar scheme would work here? --Gwern (contribs) 12:39 28 June 2007 (GMT)

I agree. Simply having "differences" is not an article. The manga is standalone to the series and should be treated the same way. 203.25.243.2 05:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

F-bombs in English dub?

Was "fuck" used at all in the dub of the anime? I've only watched the entire series subtitled, and I don't remember it being used in the few episodes that I've watched dubbed (which would've been censored anyway since they were on Adult Swim). Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

This article is on the manga, not the anime... ask123 03:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Nudity

Alright, so how subtle are the differences between the nudity in the Japanese and English version? The only thing that I know of that hasn't been depicted are the female character's genitals... Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Themes section

At some point I suppose we need a theme section on how the manga diverges. Here's some quotes (from the cite for the 17 million sales figure) for when we write it:

The story goes on, mercilessly depicting how Shinji and his fellow Evangelion pilots, all 14-year-old boys and girls, come to be physically and mentally torn to tatters through fierce combat with Angels. Clues to the unraveling of various mysteries, such as why the Second Impact happened, what Evangelions and Angels really are, and what the Instrumentality Project is, are scattered through the plot.

The world of Evangelion is filled with pessimism and lacks any trace of hope, apparently reflecting the public mood in Japan shortly after the Great Hanshin-Awaji Earthquake on Jan. 17 and the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway on March 20, both in 1995.

There is a common misconception that the anime series was based on the manga, but Sadamoto has applied his personal interpretation to the anime script and the characters to make the manga series easier for even teenage readers to understand.

You may not be a teenager any longer, but you may still want to understand the extremely complicated plot of the most-talked-about and--many critics say--the best anime and manga series Japan has ever produced, a series that has strongly affected the nation's otaku culture since the late 1990s.

--Gwern (contribs) 01:34 27 March 2008 (GMT)

This is not Shonen

It's not Shonen AT ALL, plz change it. Thank you in advanced Setokira (talk) 19:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

So what do you think it is? Seinen? And do you have a cite?

Given that it's published in "Shonen Ace" and there are more Google hits for "neon genesis evangelion manga shonen -wiki" than the other way, I think I am justified in asking for one... --Gwern (contribs) 03:48 7 June 2008 (GMT)

Chapter titles

Does the article really need the chapter list? The ISBN #s are also at the bottom of the page, and it feels like it's just clutter. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it'd be nice if it could be integrated into the Overview section. --Gwern (contribs) 05:12 24 August 2008 (GMT)

Description in header

Speaking as someone who knows nothing about this series, I'd like to see a basic description right up front: what is the series about, what is the setting, etc. Just a sentence will do: give us something to go by!  :) --ScottAlanHill (talk) 21:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Merging

we should merge the anime and manga series together. It would be much easier to look at seeing as how the manga has hardly anything while the anime has a lot more information.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. See User talk:Gwern#Manga and anime of nge. --Gwern (contribs) 14:59 14 September 2009 (GMT)

Logo

we should also remove the Neon genesis evangelion logo and place in the first Manga volumeBread Ninja (talk) 15:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

http://www.sasugabooks.com/images/sasuga/4047131156.jpg

here is the japanese cover if anyone wishes to use it. i suggest this one considering it has the official logo all the other ones have. plus the new redesigned covers also show the logo. i also think that needs some mention in the article.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Which new "redesigned covers" are you talking about? All the volumes of the manga that I own simply have the English title without the actual show logo. We can probably include the image of the Japanese cover for comparison/contrast, but since this is the English Wikipedia, I think it'd be a little more appropriate to stick with the English cover...and actually, that cover is out of date, the regular-size volume uses a different image:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bestselling-comics-2006/2155-1.jpg Willbyr (talk | contribs) 13:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Bibliography?

I'm a little confused by the name of this section - is the "Bibliography" section a further reading section? Wikipedia:Citing sources says that sometimes, the section title "Bibliography" is reserved for complete lists of published works by an author (somewhat like the chapter list, I think)? The section here has more than one author, so it's not a bibliography in that sense (by one author). This suggests to me that it might be a further reading section - works which could be mined for information for the article but have not yet been. To avoid the confusion, can we change the section name to further reading? --Malkinann (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I see only one author, Sadamoto. --Gwern (contribs) 12:27 29 October 2009 (GMT)

Sorry, must have gotten confused by seeing Carl Horn listed as a coauthor on some of these (he was the translator). Having a bibliography in the sense of a complete list of published NGE manga kind of overlaps with the chapter list, so should this section be refactored as a further reading section? --Malkinann (talk) 19:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

There is some overlap, but the chapter article doesn't cover all the information the biblio section does. Merge in the missing citation information, and there's no need for the biblio section.

As for Horn, I don't know if you've read the manga, but there's more to him than just translating the little kanji and kana Sadamoto wrote. He handles the letters to the editors, writes the 'Ask Misato' column (I think), and inserts a number of articles about Eva in general (such as the article on books about Evangelion you may've noticed used as a reference in several of our articles), such as, to pick one randomly from my JPGs, an article on Anno's... Love and Pop. I'm not quite sure what it has to do with Eva, but it's in those volumes. So 'translator' doesn't do him justice. --Gwern (contribs) 21:06 29 October 2009 (GMT)

Wow, neat. :) Sounds like these books have a lot of extra material that could be used as sources in the article. I've been bold and done what I proposed - feel free to revert if you feel it's inappropriate. --Malkinann (talk) 21:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)