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POV, clean up

This page needs to be cleaned up to adhere to NPOV and a general statement needs to be added about the source or sources for biographical information on Hamza. Ibn Ishaq? Dejo 03:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dejo, I don’t understand what you are trying to say. I wrote the article and after seeing your message I read it a few times and I didn’t find any mistakes. So can you please be more specific and tell us where you see a mistake in the article and if possible can u please correct the mistake instead of posting it on talk page. Thank You Salman

It reads like a Gospel, to mix up my religious metaphors - it's very clear who the good guys are and who their enemies are, just from the language that is used. For example, the article refers to Hind and her "other harpies" after the Battle of Uhud. That's a pretty severe judgment on Hind that does not adhere to the NPOV standard of Wikipedia. If you'd like, i can work through a draft copy that won't be POV and send it to you before it's posted here so you can see the differences. The chavi 21:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added {{tone}}{{POV}}{{sources}}: Islamic hagiography, no comprehensive historical approach, uncritical aggregation of quotes, lack of sober synthesis, no reliable sources per WP:SOURCES. This article is an embarrassment to WP, as are most articles on Islam, written by acolytes. --tickle me 12:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, several parts are also almost incomprehensible. Try to make sense of this sentence: Hamza, the son of Shaiba ibn Hashim, was the brother of Abd Allah ibn Abd al Muttalib, Muhammad's father, but he had also been weaned by the same woman, Halimah bint Abi Dhuayb, making him his foster brother as well. Grab a piece of paper, make a small sketch, and then realize it's logically coherent, but digestible it is not. Added som clarify tags. Power.corrupts (talk) 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The historical facts that had been written here, which is that Hamza still acted like elite meccans is wrong because he was the son of AbdalMuttalib ibn Hashim. There was no conversion of Hamza into Islam as he already knew Muhammad as the seal of prophets

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	:Agree, several parts are also almost incomprehensible. Try to make sense of this sentence: ''Hamza, the son of Shaiba ibn Hashim, was the brother of Abd Allah ibn Abd al Muttalib, Muhammad's father, but he had also been weaned by the same woman, Halimah bint Abi Dhuayb, making him his foster brother as well.'' Grab a piece of paper, make a small sketch, and then realize it's logically coherent, but digestible it is not. Added som clarify tags. [[User:Power.corrupts\|Power.corrupts]] ([[User talk:Power.corrupts\|talk]]) 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:Agree, several parts are also almost incomprehensible. Try to make sense of this sentence: ''Hamza, the son of Shaiba ibn Hashim, was the brother of Abd Allah ibn Abd al Muttalib, Muhammad's father, but he had also been weaned by the same woman, Halimah bint Abi Dhuayb, making him his foster brother as well.'' Grab a piece of paper, make a small sketch, and then realize it's logically coherent, but digestible it is not. Added som clarify tags. [[User:Power.corrupts\|Power.corrupts]] ([[User talk:Power.corrupts\|talk]]) 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
			The historical facts that had been written here, which is that Hamza still acted like elite meccans is wrong because he was the son of AbdalMuttalib ibn Hashim. There was no conversion of Hamza into Islam as he already knew Muhammad as the seal of prophets